So Say We All

I’m trying to organize the kind of meta conversations we should be having so we can set up a really polished and productive site.

On the Bus’ Invocation, budhy’s Mission Statement, and Turkana’s Structure have sparked a lot of agreement as you would expect from such a like-minded group.

Below the fold I’m going to post some things that should be conventional wisdom.

So say we all.

In On the Bus’s Invocation the following issues were raised and settled-

We don’t have to put a fraking <p> before each Comment.

Blessed be her holy hooves, may they never be shod.

So Say We All.

We’re going to choose a pleasing color scheme.

So Say We All.

melvin has a problem with boundaries.


That’s the kind of thing we’re discussing in Look and Feel

Mission Statement

Passion, politics, poetry, prose and ponies. Silliness, snark and a serious effort to frame the future. A river of words, thought, philosophy and action that nourishes and transforms the political cultural and social landscape through which it passes. That is the spirit behind this “place.”

In practice…write whatever the hell you want! There are no rigid restrictions here, it is a salon and a laboratory and a place to create a new reality. A reality based on compassion, empathy and caring for the people and the planet, while acknowledging the harsh realities of the world we live in and the difficulty of the tasks ahead. The complexities of greed, corruption and the petty politics of ‘human nature’ in the face of climate crisis and seven billion souls …will not be overcome by black and white solutions or electoral processes, but by becoming the change we wish to see and helping others to do the same. Not through top down enforcement, but through people working together, a model of cooperation, not competition.

In other words….Hey Kids! Let’s put on an evolution! This is a place for each of us to do our 1/seven billionth of that together, and hopefully speed the process of change along through a synergy of our ideas, intentions  and actions. Now let’s get out there and change the world!

So Say We All.

Implementation of the Mission Statement-

All of us here love Daily Kos, and I would guess most of us love it best for the creative and community aspects of it. And while we all know that the stated purpose of electing Democrats is not SOLELY what it is about, that stated mission ….plus other factors….does impose some limitations on the Great Orange Playground.

Here we are hoping to provide/create the same type of community – albeit slightly less crowded – but with far fewer limitations and restrictions. And if possible, even more creative thought.

I want to stress that even though my name is (sorta) on the masthead, I want this blog to belong to ALL of us here. Input is VERY welcome on all levels. I would very much like this to be about US blogging the future,and thus in our small way, helping to create it. I will surrender to consensus as much as possible, but I have found that someone has to have the last word and take responsibility…that someone is me. But… I do NOT ‘own’ the community.

That being said, NO ONE will will you what you cannot write about here….including for example theories on 9/11….though I trust we are all too intelligent for much of that kind of stuff. Pedophilia is about the only thing that will draw objections, lol. The point being that no subject matter nor speculative thought is, to coin a phrase….off the table.

So please, take your shoes off and relax and let your creative juices unlimber and flow. Go where thou wilt. Being us, we will talk a lot about politics and the current idiocies occurring in the world around us….I’m sure we will resemble dkos quite a bit in that regard. But fiction is welcome, as is poetry as is just about anything else you want to try. I am not guaranteeing a you will get a positive response, hahaha, I am just saying you will not be reproved for trying it or banned for going out on a limb. (Speaking of which, the first subject for community discussion can be our moderation system….input is very much wanted there…but more on that later.)

So Say We All.

Actually there are spelling things and stuff I’d change about that if I could, but it will do for a starting point.

A reminder!

The existence of Docudharma is till a secret until we officially launch!

by: buhdydharma @ Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 18:01:54 PM PDT


So Say We All.

Bad Things

Per Turkana

i would say SOME stuff should be off-limits- bigotry, advocation of violence, pooties…

and we certainly don’t want this to turn into another i/p flame war site, or another kos-bashing site- there are enough of them, anyway…

i would love if some of the talented people who left dk (for one or another reason) found their ways here, not to nurse old grudges, but to participate and give their best. people start with clean slates, but if they begin to revisit old battles, we need to tell them to stop- or leave.

overall, i think we will be more rambunctious and more playful, but still with hard-hitting politics. there should be more art, more random intellectuality, and more in-depth issues analysis. we can do our partisan politics and horse race stuff on dk. some of that here, too; but more of a focus on issues, on redefining what it is to be a modern liberal, and how to truly transform our society and body politic towards true justice and fairness.

Per budhy in response-

Forbidden things

Dkos bashing. period. . period. .

And from Peeders diary on making as completely an unrestricted blog as possible.

“……spam/crapflooding, malware (linking to phishing sites, spyware sites, etc), or criminality (including e.g. calling for or planning assassinations, terrorism, pedophilia or daterapes). Those things will be at least deleted and the accounts from which they were shat may be banned. Also, I’ll have to obey court orders, but I’ll try to be as open about such things as I can…..”

Are strictly verbotten.

Shergald is Pre-banned.

And overall, as I say, the buck stops with me….even peeder says that there has to be one person who has the final say.

I am planning the worlds first internet consensus zen dictatorship.

Again spelling.  I hope history will be as kind to us as to the Founders about creative spelling.  I’d like a link to the peeder diary too, but I suppose I could look it up myself

So Say We All.

Copyright policies are unresovled in this thread.  But Pooties have been, they are ok.

Labels for the Rating System have been resolved, though there is a Front Page Poll up.  I think pie is undescriptive.

Turkana suggests a late night diary.  This has branched off into a News Division of which he and I and Magnifico are supposed to be in charge.

We have kind of a roll out date set, September 3rdEveryone should keep this in mind.  Personally I think it’s very tight.

I raise some issues I think are still relevant, Look and Feel is up and I’m already fucking with your mind.


The FAQ is not settled yet, I still think 2 parts- how, and why.  I hope I have faithfully transimteed why to this point.

Marketing Plan, Promotion, Relationship with other blogs all unaddressed by me so far, but just you wait ‘enry ‘iggings

Thanks to Armando however, we do have a benckmark of civility.  If you have a problem with being called a coward and an idiot…

Perhaps you best try another hobby.  So Say We All.

Now as buhdy suggests onto Turkana’s Structure.

We seem to have a lot of content.  Good.  Less work for me and I am very lazy.

Turkana suggests, and no one disagrees, on a few basic rules of Front Page Respect.  That there should be about 2 or 3 hours between them.  That they should be semi-co-ordinated with regular times encouraged.  That there should be a private blog to help achieve this co-ordination (a la Rescue Rangers).  That you should be prepared to tend your diary until the next scheduled diary.  That there should be a published schedule of diarists.  That one diary should be a round up of good diaries and top comments from around the web.  That there should be a News Diary every day.

I’m posting this as a summary because it’s time to start thrashing this out again.  If I’ve skipped your favorite part (and my summary of Turkana’s diary does not do it justice), feel free to beat me up about it.


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  1. I need a nap.

    I think vent holes are important though, because I don’t trust anyone who’s not willing to stand behind their words.

    • melvin on August 23, 2007 at 13:25

    even if it remained stable for a few minutes – or is that just me?

    I am wondering if we need a geographical dimension?  I am in the Pathetic Northwest, but how ’bout somebodies from Africa, Oz, Brazil? I know you are out there; I see you lurking from Sao Paolo at Truth&Progress site meter. Come out wherever you are.

    Time time time see what’s become of me.
    Time zones. I am pacific by nature and by zone, but I have to sleep some time you bitches. Global coverage? Euros?

    I would suggest that we adopt whatever model for the front page with the understanding that all things change. If it is unsatisfactory, change it.

    O.K. this is me, my very strong opinion to the degree that I have such: It is more important that the process be transparent than that it be perfect, because if defective but transparent it can be fixed and it is obvious how but if opaque there is no fixing. Wrong at the root and there is no remedy. The process is everything.

    And it is nothing. When process is nothing as it should be, life can proceed. Shouldn’t have to be thinking about the bare necessities all the time.

  2. I don’t know how available you FPers will be to post day in and day out, but you might want to adapt your schedule once you know how many diaries you get each day, and how many are worth promoting.

    In any case, it’s smart to start with enough good, original content to keep people after the first curiosity trip.

    Again, I cannot emphasise how important the morning news thread at ET has been to anchor the site – providing enough new content every day to trigger discussions, and often offering content for several FP posts during the day. Magnifico’s OND would be a wonderful anchor for any site – provided that you do want to focus at least a bit on serious discussion.

  3. but I’m also in the PacNW; however, I stay up really late – until 2am most weeknights – and often until 3am on weekends.

    And I’m up by or before 8 am almost every day.

    Not sure if that matters, but it may help in terms of my contribution to comments during late night hours in the States, early morning hours on the right coast.

    I will commit to commenting more on Open Threads and such, in order to keep things going. I’m not such a frequent commenter on dKos – more of an observer. But to help out, I’ll be willing to stick my foot in my mouth more on this site.

    just sayin’.

  4. First sorry about the spelling thing…and fuck you….I WILL do better. Especially on official documents. PLEASE everyone DO point out my errrorrs! I will edit the ones you have graciously pointed out.

    Second and Third
    The FAQ and Promotion/Marketing.

    I have scribled on the FAQ in my garret and will post a thread with my thoughts, soonish.

    peeder’s diary at MLW titled something along the lines of ‘So should we start an unmoderated blog
    ‘ was very interesting…..I tried to dig it up …but am lame. It is an ongoing convo there now re blog participation and moderation. I consider MLW to be Meta Central these days. Currently they are on about something called ‘democracy’ and a bloggers bill of rights. Good stuff and very pertinent to our mission of blogging the future, since virtual communities will imo, be a big part of the future. Oops I am writing the thread here! Ok enough on that, for now. But I do like Anarch-sydicalism……in theory.


    As much as possible in as may ways as possible and as in as many creative ways as possible.

    Again let’s start another dedicated thread. So far I am planiing a Big Splash Launch Diary to be Xposted everywhere….a list of everywhere will be handy!. The launch is critical.

    Pre launch….it IS about time to start the whisper campaign and build a buzz.

    I have called the URL the keys to the kingdom….they are not to be given out lightly. If they are given out, it must be with a conspiratorial whisper of “I’m really not supposed to be doing this, but since you are SO special….”

    Heeheehee. Buzz.

    The Velvet Rope is a powerful hook into human nature let’s use it….PRE-launch. Nobody likes the Elite…unless they are in it. Like you guys are!

    Surreptitius distribution ocurring a couple of days before the launch to really good diarists and commenters is encouraged.

    I think?

    Ok I have finished my coffee and will go back inside and transmit this to the Fortress  of Ponitude.

    I have some RL stuff to do, so I am not sure when I will get the other threads up.
    if someone wants to pre-empt me go for it.

    Thanks again ek! I cannot tell you how much I appreciate all you folks doing this kind of stuff so it is not all on me!

    We are becoming US!

    Apres-launch we are a model of egalitarianism

      • melvin on August 23, 2007 at 19:10

      Well for our purposes you would make an excellent European anchor.

      Pacific Rim is not so far fetched from where I sit. It is where we sell our wheat, apples, software – across the Pacific, not across the continent.

      The west coast of Canada as well as Seattle are considerably closer to Pyongyang than that other Washington is. East Asia is not a beltway abstraction to us; they are here all the time, buying, spending, being tourists.

  5. Curious as to what kind of diaries you’re interested in. Will you want me to crosspost my commie diaries over here?

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