England Out of Afghanistan in 2015 (or 2365)

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What a beautiful headline in the Guardian!

Afghanistan withdrawal before 2015, says David Cameron

David Cameron yesterday gave the first clear indication of the timing for a full withdrawal of British soldiers from Afghanistan, saying that he wanted troops home within five years.

During the election campaign, he said he wanted to see UK troops start to come home by 2015. But this was the first time as prime minister that he has indicated a timetable for withdrawal.

Obama has committed himself to a review of the US counter-insurgency strategy next year.

Okay, there’s some good news for you! The Prime Minister of England “wants” his troops out of Afghanistan before 2015…

…only 14 years after they invaded that God-forsaken wasteland.

And for any of you beyond-the-fringe leftist radicals who doubt that Barack Obama is capable of making a real commitment to anything…

How about that commitment to… review our counter-insurgency strategy next year?

Pound that into your pointy little negativism, you pin-heads!

And meanwhile, in Afghanistan…

Only nine out of Afghanistan’s 364 districts are considered safe, with the rest under some degree of security threat, Mohammad Munir Mangal, the Acting Interior Minister said on Wednesday.

Nine safe districts after almost nine years of military occupation!

At that rate it would take another 355 years to pacify the other 355 districts of Afghanistan, and David Cameron’s goal of withdrawing by 2015 would have to be pushed back to 2365!


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  1.  A variety of stories by young Afghans have been posted on Hasht-e-Subh Daily, for what they call an “Afghan Youth Voices Festival.”

    Many of them don’t exactly make sense, at least in translation, but some kind of message comes across anyway.

    Every person in the village was trying to have relation with Khan Noor Jan and they were proud of have tea or a meeting with the Khan. The time was passing, one night some voices of heavy and frightening weapons have been heard. In the morning the result came out and Khan’s oldest son, brother and many more family members have been killed by American forces because of a weird and suspected report and Khan was taken to Guantanamo prison. After this incident I went to university and after one week when I came back Khan Noor Jan’s name was changed to Normandy.

    Then I understood that everything is being changed.

  2. ….. more expected this summer/fall with the “offensive” in the south.

    Hardly a drop in the bucket.

    BP going down is going to wreck their pension system.  Certainly Cameron can fix that while he’s at it.  

  3. that is the historical empire killing Afghanistan territory does have that distinct advantage of killing off the financial resources of that minority population of 300 milllion screaming brat Americans who think they are entitled to something based upon previous history of illusionary greatnesss but are in fact the creators of predatory multi-national based predatory capitalism based upon fiat money,sex and peasant specific targeted propaganda.  Oh, the poppy money helps fund black ops too.

    • Edger on June 30, 2010 at 5:16 am

    By George Friedman, STRATFOR | June 29, 2010

    The Afghan War is the longest war in U.S. history. It began in 1980 and continues to rage. It began under Democrats but has been fought under both Republican and Democratic administrations, making it truly a bipartisan war. The conflict is an odd obsession of U.S. foreign policy, one that never goes away and never seems to end. As the resignation of Gen. Stanley McChrystal reminds us, the Afghan War is now in its fourth phase.

    The Afghan War’s First Three Phases

    The first phase of the Afghan War began with the Soviet invasion in December 1979, when the United States, along with Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, organized and sustained Afghan resistance to the Soviets. This resistance was built around mujahideen, fighters motivated by Islam. Washington’s purpose had little to do with Afghanistan and everything to do with U.S.-Soviet competition. The United States wanted to block the Soviets from using Afghanistan as a base for further expansion and wanted to bog the Soviets down in a debilitating guerrilla war. The United States did not so much fight the war as facilitate it. The strategy worked. The Soviets were blocked and bogged down. This phase lasted until 1989, when Soviet troops were withdrawn.

    The second phase lasted from 1989 until 2001. The forces the United States and its allies had trained and armed now fought each other in complex coalitions for control of Afghanistan. Though the United States did not take part in this war directly, it did not lose all interest in Afghanistan. Rather, it was prepared to exert its influence through allies, particularly Pakistan. Most important, it was prepared to accept that the Islamic fighters it had organized against the Soviets would govern Afghanistan. There were many factions, but with Pakistani support, a coalition called the Taliban took power in 1996. The Taliban in turn provided sanctuary for a group of international jihadists called al Qaeda, and this led to increased tensions with the Taliban following jihadist attacks on U.S. facilities abroad by al Qaeda.

    The third phase began on Sept. 11, 2001


    The fourth phase of the war began in 2009, when U.S. President Barack Obama decided to pursue a more aggressive strategy in Afghanistan.


    Zbigniew Brzezinski:

    For America the chief gepolitical prize is Eurasia… America’s global primacy is directly dependant on how long and how effectively its preponderance on the Eurasian continent is sustained.”

    “About 75 per cent of the world’s people live in Eurasia, and most of the world’s physical wealth is there as well, both in it’s enterprises and underneath its soil. Eurasia accounts for about three-fourths of the world’s known energy resources.

    “America’s withdrawal from the world or because of the sudden emergence of a successful rival – would produce massive international instability. It would prompt global anarchy.”

    “The most immediate task is to make certain that no state or combination of states gains the capacity to expel the United States from Eurasia or even to diminish significantly its decisive arbitration role.”

  4. ??

    They had music,  art, and awesome nature until the US and USSR started screwing them.

    The US caused their problems.  

    • RUKind on July 1, 2010 at 4:12 am

    The First Afghan War ran from 1839-1842.

    The Second Afghan War ran from 1878-1880.

    The Third Afghan War may or may not run down in 2015.

    And we’re only talking Anglo-Afghan Wars.

    The people of Afghanistan and Northwestern Pakistan do not like outsiders telling them how to live. It’s that simple.

    We can save $300bn a year minimum on killing women and children and out the money into schools and infrastructure back home.

    How dumb do you have to be to not figure that out? The Great Game has never had a winner. Never.

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