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Harvard

Obama v. Roberts: The Struggle to Come

By PETER BAKER, The New York Times

Published: April 16, 2010

Much more so than last year, when he made his first nomination to the court, Mr. Obama has Chief Justice Roberts on his mind as he mulls his second, according to Democrats close to the White House. For an activist president, the chief justice has emerged clearly in recent months as a potentially formidable obstacle, and Mr. Obama has signaled that he plans to use the political arena and his appointment power to counter the direction of the Roberts court.

“He’s very concerned about the activism of the court in recent terms,” said Senator Patrick J. Leahy of Vermont, chairman of the Judiciary Committee, ticking off a series of cases that angered liberals, most notably allowing corporations to spend freely in election campaigns. “He wants to make sure he puts somebody on there who is not going to take radical steps like that.”

The urgency is greater this year since the Citizens United decision in January, in which the Roberts court threw out precedents to rule that corporations have First Amendment rights to spend money in election campaigns. Advisers said the ruling crystallized for Mr. Obama just how sweeping the chief justice was willing to be. Indeed, some around the president suspect that Chief Justice Roberts, after moving incrementally in his first few years on the bench, has taken a more assertive approach since Mr. Obama took office.

“Obama’s view of the court is by far the more prevalent view at Harvard Law School, or at least it was when we were there,” said Bradford A. Berenson, who studied with Mr. Obama and served as a White House lawyer under President George W. Bush. Mr. Roberts, he added, held the opposite view, even though it was “very much in the minority” on campus.

Yale

Supreme imbalance: Court leans heavy on Harvard and Yale

By MARGARET TALEV, McClatchy Newspapers

Sunday, 04.18.10

WASHINGTON — There are about 1.2 million lawyers in the U.S. They learned their craft at 200 American Bar Association-approved law schools, of which the top 20 or so are the most competitive, all with top-notch professors and students.

When Justice John Paul Stevens retires this summer, however, the eight remaining members of the Supreme Court – the top arbiter of U.S. law and a check and balance on the White House and Congress – will be composed entirely of legal minds trained at two law schools, Harvard and Yale.

(Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg earned her law degree from Columbia, another Ivy League school – but only because she left Harvard Law after two years to follow her husband to New York for her final year of study.)

I know lots of people who went to Harvard, or Yale, and you know what?

They’re mostly morons, no brighter than you or I.  Aside from being well connected arrogant elitist drunks they have no special skills or abilities.

What they do have is an enormous sense of self entitlement that allows them to ignore the fact they were born on third base.

They think they hit a triple.

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  1. http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q

    Assuming an entitlement to totally screw up the entire planet.

  2. taught at Yale for a short time in the 60s-before he ran off with a co-ed, and mom and I ended up broke and in the inner city.  

    Yale has fantastic facilities–libraries, museums, and much more that are available to those that care to use them. It has a great theatre program, that produced Merrill Streep and others.  

    According to my father, the students were mostly, as you say, a bunch of morons trying to slide through-he wondered if Bush was one of the idiots in the back.

    But, the stuff is available there, in ways not really seen in cheaper schools.

  3. Here are the Law School Rankings from US News and World report. Please notice the costs.  What this means is that if you weren’t born with a plastic spoon in your mouth, you’re leaving law school with beau coup debt.  Lotsa debt.  And to pay off the debt, you need a job that will pay lots of money.

    How much money?  Well, findlaw has a search that gives you starting salary at the biggest law firms nationwide. Check out salaries, e.g.,  at big firms in NYC.  It’s a lot of money.  In return they expect 60+ hours of work per week, at least 5.5 days per week, about 2,000 billable hours per year.  You have to do this because of the debt from paragraph 1 above.

    So going to the elite schools can be both a blessing and a curse.

    Disclaimer: I went to a top-10 law school.  I’ve had a great life and I’ve been able to avoid the obvious trap above.

  4. I was born in Princeton had killer grades but never given a glance during the admission process.  Why do I know this? Because I knew the son of the dean of admissions….

    Trust me…

    I know how fucked up and arbitrary the Ivy league system is.

    Oh and a girl named Krista who couldn’t count to ten that I went to high school with was granted admission.

    Hell this is the system that produced George Bush and obama….

    That fact grants me a tad bit of comfort.

    • Xanthe on April 20, 2010 at 00:43

    diversity there.

  5. insulated the court can really become with ersatz, erudite, gobbledygook holdings that can only come from the contortions of the deluded who take their jobs seriously defending  medieval jurisprudence (e.g. divine rule) to the best of their elite, strict constructionist minds.

    Ius prima nocturna, I believe spoke Caesar as he screwed whomever he wanted.

    I had a friend,MBA Harvard, years back who always managed to stay on top financially no matter how bad his businesses did (can you say trust fund?) As a member of the Calif Bar, now inactive, I am proud to have gone to a low life law school while I taught school full time, took care of sick parents and our own newborn and wondered what the hell I was doing. The wondering part hasn’t changed.

    I ran out of patience with Obama months ago. If he fvcks this nomination up, there will be hell to pay.

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