“..blood of Mexicans is primarily American Indian.”

As a previous editor of the Classic Progressive Historians, I was trying to get a historian I had met on line to post there. He was in Mexico and as we corresponded, he told me that at least 80% of “Mexicans” are Lipan Apache. Who is Arizona wanting to “send back to where they came from?”


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The privileges of citizenship were slow to come for Indians while the responsibilities came right away. It’s hard not to think of the island-hopping campaign in the Pacific, some of the toughest combat of WWII. The Navajo code talkers served though that campaign at a time when Arizona was still denying them the vote. Now, it appears that Arizona Indians who visit the cities will have to be careful about being brown in a no-brown zone, whether or not they are veterans.

Crossposted At Native American Netroots

The man talked about how his people were forced into speaking Spanish as the result of the Spanish Conquest, and that they were trying to get their language back.


This law is not aimed at Europeans without papers, even though by its plain words a German tourist could be locked up for leaving her Phoenix hotel without her passport. This law is aimed at Mexicans and the blood of Mexicans is primarily American Indian.

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Spanish Conquest 1492-1580 by Sanderson Beck

In December 1511 Fray Antonio Montesinos preached a sermon at Santo Domingo in which he warned the conquistadors they were all in mortal sin because of the cruel way they were oppressing innocent people. He asked them,

Tell me, by what right do you hold these Indians

in such cruel and horrible servitude?

By what authority did you make unprovoked war

on these people, living in peace and quiet on their land,

and with unheard-of savagery

kill and consume so great a number of them?

Why do you keep them worn out and down-trodden,

without feeding them or tending their illnesses,

so that they die-or rather you kill them-

by reason of the heavy labor you lay upon them,

to get gold every day?

What care do you take to have them taught

to know their God and Maker, to be baptized,

to hear Mass and keep their Sundays and holy days?

Are they not men? Have they no soul, no reason?

Are you not required to love them as you love yourselves?

Do you understand this? Do you not feel it?

How can you be sunk so deep in unfeeling sleep?1

And lookie here, looks like the historian was right after all.


Lipan Apache Targeted for More Abuse at Border

The US made new threats about the condemnation and seizure of Lipan Apache lands in Texas for the US/Mexico border wall, as the abuses of Indigenous Peoples in the borderzone continues unabated. President Obama continues the genocidal borderland policies of the Bush administration.

The Lipan Apache announcement came this week at the same time that a US Border Agent shot and killed a man, Solis Palma, 28, throwing rocks east of Douglas, Arizona. The practice of US Border Agents murdering rock throwers mirrors the genocidal practices of Israeli soldiers shooting rock throwers, including children, at the border of Palestine.

The Lipan Apache in Texas have been targeted for the seizure of their land, while wealthy white land owners in the Texas borderlands benefit from US white supremacist policy.

Fray Antonio Montesino’s words are still relevant today.


Are they not men? Have they no soul, no reason?

Are you not required to love them as you love yourselves?

Do you understand this? Do you not feel it?

How can you be sunk so deep in unfeeling sleep?1

“and the blood of Mexicans is primarily American Indian.”

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  1. http://www.dailykos.com/story/

  2. The conquest in what is now Mexico started in earnest about 1519 when Cortez arrived.  Before that, the Maya lived in the Yucatan and toward Guatemala and what would become Mexico City (then Tenochitlan) was where the Mexica lived.  There were many other tribes on the coast, mostly who paid tribute to the Mexica.  The Lipan Apache were in the North.

    So there’s a real and painful irony in the new, Arizona, racist law.  The newest people to arrive are making demands of those they’ve displaced.  And the newest people are arguing that those with the oldest claim to the area don’t belong there.

    A great book on Cortez: “Conquest” by Hugh Thomas.

  3. It seems that lashing out against anyone who is other than an a WASP has been/is an unending saga, for which we should all bear shame and remorse.  

    • dkmich on April 30, 2010 at 11:57

    It had Obama making opening remarks?  Well in any event, it starts with America being “discovered” by us and how it was rich with “unclaimed” resources.   Not a word that we stole the whole place.  I turned it off like in five minutes.  Couldn’t get past the “omissions”.  

  4. do not understand it at all!!!!

  5. from?

    “Father, father, is it true what the other kids are saying?  Are we Jews?,” asks Jesus.

    “Shhhhhhhhhh,” says God the Father.

    “But, Father, Father, are we Jews?”

    “Yes, Son, it is true.  I and your mother and Joseph are all Jews.”

    [From vague memory of opening of Heavenly Dialogues.]

    If all the Jews in all the world were exterminated tomorrow, would all the ills they are said to visit on this world be resolved?

    Or would it be much the same and the rest of us poorer?

    It is an extremely rare occurrence when I take any exception to a single sentence you write, winter rabbit, and I do take only partial exception to this reference to Jews.

    I wish I had some answers.  I only know the questions.

    Thank you for the mention that the Mexicans are truly in their native land.

    What right do they have to be in such a place? 🙁

    I am so tired of repeating myself and boring all who long ago stopped listening to me.

    Best,  Terry

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