We don’t lie here.

I got all over the place yesterday, talking to people who blog here; about difficult and highly confrontational subjects.

I’ve done that before, on other blogs.

But what I’m seeing here, is that we don’t lie here.

The more I read people who don’t lie here, the more happy I get about blogging in a community comprising people who do not lie.

So thanks, everyone; for your honesty.

I needed this; starting back when I was involved as a kid, with the Advisory for Open Education, etc. The adults in my life were running that when I was in my early adolescence.


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    • Miep on October 11, 2009 at 9:25 am


    • Miep on October 11, 2009 at 11:18 am

    from the guy who should have won the prize.

    • Miep on October 11, 2009 at 11:40 am

    Phil Ochs; “I ain’t marching anymore.”

    • Miep on October 11, 2009 at 11:43 am

    arlo guthrie and pete seeger

    • Miep on October 11, 2009 at 11:46 am

    John Prine

    • Miep on October 11, 2009 at 11:51 am

    Randy Newman.

    • Miep on October 11, 2009 at 11:57 am

    bob dylan.

    • Miep on October 11, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    laura nyro

    • Miep on October 11, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    Aretha Franklin

    • Miep on October 11, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    Dionne Warwick

    • Miep on October 11, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    Sheryl Crow. This so rocks.

  1. This is programmed partisanship for the purpose of global control of power.  Over time people do come to believe.  Empires come and empires go just like the product life cycle curve.


    America is an eight track tape player.

    You can fool all of the people some of the time……

    The Russians had their Potemkin Village.

    Plato had his Allegory of the Cave

    We have an electronic cage.

    • begone on October 11, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    Just a song for you from a blog far, far away–or not that far away.

  2. a pony for no more lies!


    and another song, ’cause angels don’t lie!… hope you’re well

    • RiaD on October 11, 2009 at 3:10 pm

  3. and missed the action.  I think the DK is just getting too big for its britches. But this place is full of good people, so you still have a blog to call home.  

    • Diane G on October 11, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    and in my world, dKos is a waste of time. No great loss.

    However, no matter how “group” blogs are, someone always has to buck up and make the final decision. It always comes to that. I KNOW this from experience, having been forced to be the end-girl at my blog.

  4. hope you dont have a gbcw hangover… 😉

    GREAT selection of tunes up there.

    in any event, welcome home.

    • ANKOSS on October 11, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    We all wish for wonderful things to emerge from the primordial soup of this primitive Internet. My wish is that it spontaneously incubates cells of radical honesty. Once you realize that information-scarce civilizations (all of history, until the Internet) reward falsehood, you can grasp how powerful and disruptive radical honesty will be.

    Month by month, new, radically honest voices are emerging in the blogosphere (e.g., Zero Hedge in the financial domain). Soon they will be too numerous for the whack-a-mole suppression tactics used by established propaganda systems. It is now a matter of desperate urgency for the existing elites to find efficient methods of neutralizing pockets of honesty on the Internet. But I don’t think this evolution can be stopped.

    The reason radical honesty is going to defeat the culture of lies is that the software building blocks of digital society must be logically sound. Just as you can’t make a crooked building out of aligned, square materials, you can’t make a dishonest information medium out of components that are built and integrated with logical integrity.

    By analogy, the seed crystal of Internet society is sound software. As the structures around software extend their axes of influence, they will ultimately impose honesty on digital society. And this will bring great political change.

    DKos is doomed because it is attempting to use an intrinsically honest medium to promote the deceptions and distortions of traditional partisan politics. That is why rational progressives eventually give up on DKos, as I did. DKos will be remembered as the AOL of blogosphere politics, an orientation and learning environment that teaches its members enough to grasp the ultimate inadequacy of the platform.

    • Inky99 on October 11, 2009 at 8:22 pm

    But they had to ban me at DK in order for me to make that transition.  🙂

    I’m glad they did.   Dealing with the buttplugs over there was really getting bad for my blood pressure.

  5. I read your GBCW diary at Dkos this morning and I must say I agree with you 5oo%. I lurked there for 6 years and never joined as the self proclaimed bully patrol absolutely turned me off. I made my first visit to this site and here I am…thanks for making me aware…an echo chamber can become a sensory deprivation chamber if you allow it…Thanks


  6. I’ve lied here many times. Many, many times.

    And I’ll do it again, too.

    So there. 😛

    • Miep on October 13, 2009 at 7:35 am

    After reading all the wonderful, and not-so-wonderful, comments I received a la naranja, I felt obliged to post another one, realizing that I had not made myself sufficiently clear.

    This was pretty confrontational, though I could have been much, much harsher. But why? What purpose would it have served? Would it have gotten more people to listen?


    I see I did not make myself sufficiently clear

    Several issues.

      1. 911 CT censorship. To suspend people for even suggesting the subject and demand they make some sort of formal renunciation is a heavy-handed way to deal with a subject. The complaint on admin’s part was that the subject was overrunning the site. There are more subtle ways to manage such a situation than flatout censorship.

      2. Bullying of people who harshly criticize Barack Obama. The community, generally speaking, has not incorporated the critical importance of people feeling free to criticize elected officials.

    Note: I am NOT against community self-policing. I am against the insistence of far too many users of this site in abusing the option in order to bully people whose opinions they do not like.

      3. Glorifying gang behavior. To roam around in bunches and attack people does not make you “strong” any more than trying to get through to someone who is being hostile, without being hostile yourself, makes you an “ass-kisser.”

      4. Related issue: ad content. Every time I see someone say it doesn’t matter who Markos gets his money from, I just cringe. Do you feel the same way about elected politicians? Do you feel the same way about Faux News? Do you believe it about funding of scientific research? Do you really believe that becoming financially dependent on the morally bankrupt does not affect one’s decisions?

    I would never suggest this blog does not have its strong points, and many excellent writers. Similarly I would never suggest that any other blog is perfect. In any case, I’ve been holding back on a lot of this (which is why I don’t have a lot of HR’s on my record) and preferred to go the peaceful route of leaving, as opposed to ceasing holding back and going the more violent route of going down in flames.


    Miep Rowan O’Brien

    “I refuse to lower my expectations of a society that has so much and allows so many to suffer. It is simply unacceptable.” – TocqueDeville

  7. many were asking “what censorship”.  I so wanted to show them what I said to get banned.  But alas, I still won’t acknowledge. Never I say!  

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