Torture Architects had ZERO interrogation experience. They tortured and call us Nazi’s? WTF!?!

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Crossposted at Daily Kos

   If we prosecute Bush/Cheney what will the GOP do? Stop working with us? Call us Nazi’s?

   Because, that is happening right now. Kinda takes the threat away, huh?

   The people who tortured children

   The people who covered up mass graves

   The people who began a domestic spying program and began an ilegal war of aggression

   They and their supporters are calling the left Nazi’s?!?

   I call bullshit

   While wingnuts scream RESPECT THE CONSTITUTION and call the Left Fascists, the last GOP administration did Fascist stuff.

   Of course, these morans don’t care to know that, but then, they are death panel believing birthers who know nothing, so who cares what they think.

   There is more below the fold, and info where you can contact AG Eric Holder and the White House to demand FULL Prosecutions for actual Nazi stuff.

    The next time a Screaming Wingnut demands his Constitutional rights back, ask him about the 4th and 8th Amendments, and why he wasn’t protesting Bush for taking them away 6 years ago.

   So, what would you say if I told you that the people in charge of our detainee interrogation program after 9/11 had ZERO Interrogation experience, but knew everything about Chinese Communist techniques to extract false confessions?

   What would you say if I told you a family therapist and a high blood pressure expert with ZERO interrogation experience were America’s interrogation experts in dealing with accused terrorists?

   You would say it is as likely as a Horse Breeder being named to be the head of FEMA, wouldn’t you.

    Meet the Heckuvajob Brownies of Interrogation

    Jim Mitchell and Bruce Jessen were military retirees and psychologists, on the lookout for business opportunities. They found an excellent customer in the Central Intelligence Agency, where in 2002 they became the architects of the most important interrogation program in the history of American counterterrorism

    They had never carried out a real interrogation, only mock sessions in the military training they had overseen. They had no relevant scholarship; their Ph.D. dissertations were on high blood pressure and family therapy. They had no language skills and no expertise on Al Qaeda.

    But they had psychology credentials and an intimate knowledge of a brutal treatment regimen used decades ago by Chinese Communists.

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   I will put it simply enough. If we fully Prosecute Bush/Cheney for War Crimes we will DESTROY the GOP. The GOP can not defend Bush/Cheney AND win elections.

   If we do nothing, the next GOP POTUS WILL be Bush/Cheney 3, and with this lunatic RW Base what do you think they will do?

    Please Contact AG Eric Holder and The White Houseand Recommend this diary so others can use the contact info below to demand a FULL and TOTAL Prosecution of Bush/Cheney war criminals.

   According to the bombshell article in the New York Times, Jim Mitchell and Bruce Jessen knew NOTHING about interrogation. The only thing they knew were the Communist Chinese techniques used to extract false confessions from US Soldiers, per SERE (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape) techniques.

    So what do you get when your interrogation experts know zilch about interrogating and everything about torturing to gain false confessions?

    Probably false confessions?

    False confessions that can then be used as evidence to go to war with Iraq.

   It needs to be said loudly and repeatedly. Wingnuts and Republicans HAVE NO ANSWER FOR BUSH/CHENEY. NOTHING. We can BEAT THEM with this. If we don’t we are fucking it up on purpose.

   If you support torture your opinion on Health Care is worthless.

    Repeat after me.


Saddam/al Qaeda Connection

Torture Works

Deregulate everything

Bush Tax cuts for the rich

Domestic Spying


U.S. Attorney Firings


The fundamentals of the economy are strong

Sarah Palin


Mark Sanford/Ensign/Vitter




   As others have noted, if Attorney General Eric Holder only prosecutes low level officials it will be worse than doing nothing. It will basically ratify Bush/Cheney’s illegal behavior and set the precedent that there are no consequences for breaking the law if some OLC lawyer says it is okay.

   In short, it will make the President and his men more than men, but less than Gods.

   And that will make you less than an equal citizen, and more like a serf.

  If we have no equality under the law there can be no justice. If there are not equal consequences for breaking the law then we have no rights.

  And do you think another GOP Administration won’t use that to their full advantage?

  Take the time today and call Eric Holder. We can beat the GOP but ONLY if we go for the Throat, and that throat and their leaders are still Bush Republicans.

  Hit em where it hurts.

    Please, contact The White House and Attorney General Eric Holder and demand full prosecutions of Bush/Cheney. Let them know that limited Prosecutions are the same or worse than doing nothing, and any Special Prosecutor must have the power to go all the way to the top.

    You can contact Attorney General Eric Holder and demand accountability here


   U.S. Department of Justice

   950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW

   Washington, DC 20530-0001


Department of Justice Main Switchboard202-514-2000

Office of the Attorney General

U.S. DOJ FAX number for AG Holder

FAX: (202) 307-4613


E-Mail the Attorney Generals Office at [email protected]



    You can Contact President Barack Obama’s White House to demand accountability here

    CALL The White House at 202-456-1111 and E-Mail the WH here

   They are calling us Nazi’s, Fascists and worse.

   But Republicans and their leaders supported torture, spying on citizens and wars based on lies.

   If the Screaming Wingnuts want their full rights and Constitution back I say we give it to em.

   Make them defend George Bush. Make them defend torture and domestic spying while screaming about their rights. Make them scream about taxes while defending the Bush tax cuts.

They CAN NOT WIN like that.

And we can not lose, nor can we afford to.

Fight fire with fire

and if the heat is too hot, let em get out of the kitchen.

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  1. Where the hell were the screamers then?

    Cheerleading. Because they are fucking stupid.

  2. reading but… whats this all about?:

    WAPO article from the Yahoo News page…


    Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    ‘Statute of Limitations Has Expired’ on Many Secrets, Former Vice President Says

    Going to read it now… wasnt sure you’d seen it, MoT.

    • Inky99 on August 13, 2009 at 20:40

    To scream accusations at your opponent which are exactly that which you yourself are guilty of.

    Classic example was the coward and draft-dodger GWB, and the attacks on Kerry’s war hero status.

    They just keep doing it.  Why?  Because it works!

    Yes, that story about the mass murder in Afghanistan was starting to get traction.  Now it’s down the Memroy Hole.  Cheney’s war crimes, the same.  

    Down the Memory Hole.  Now it’s Sarah Palin in the news talking about “death panels”.

    See how that works?  It’s no accident.

  3. Health debate turns vile with Nazi analogy

    Right-wing loudmouths distort history, diminish true evil of the Holocaust

    Rush Limbaugh and those invoking the Nazi analogy to attack President Barack Obama’s effort to reform health care in America are not “insane” as David Brooks pronounced on last Sunday’s “Meet the Press.” Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and the rest of the loud-mouthed right wing are, when they even hint at an analogy to the Nazis in talking about Obama’s health reform effort, engaged in something far worse than insanity. They are engaged in the vile evil of Holocaust denial……………..

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