Remember, Remember

( – promoted by buhdydharma )


Remember, remember the fifth of November,

   The gunpowder treason and plot,

   I know of no reason

   Why the gunpowder treason

   Should ever be forgot.

   Fawkes at midnight, and by torchlight there was found

   With long matches and devices, underground

   O England praise the name of God

   That kept thee from this heavy rod!

   But though this demon e’er be gone,

   his evil now be ours upon!

We do not remember those other forgotten verses, do not remember why they were written.

Ahhh, but what is it the Good People of England Celebrate Today, but Guy Fawkes’ failure?

That is the part we forget. They celebrate the protection of the very men who oppressed them. They celebrate their master’s success in staying their masters.

Those words were not written to remember his glory, but his defeat.

While we? We remember the Valiant Victory of V!


You see, many do not know, it was in support of the Roman Catholic Church against the Protestant Rule in England that the Gunpowder Plot was aimed. They were willing to dispatch the Aristocracy present to eliminate the King, even members of their own Church. They would sacrifice their own for a greater good.

This was not so much a Populist movement, but one of vying for a monopoly by two very powerful organizational structures: Two Churches vying for Supremacy and control of the Population under the guise of Religion.

Guy was a Revolutionary, that is something we are prone to admire, and rightfully so. It is a romantic story, if one looks not too closely at his motives, and ultimate confession and naming of his co-conspirators.

But that is not what I want us to Remember today either.

What I want us to remember is that the Powers That Be did as they always do, when a man stands up for those he considers oppressed. (In his case, English Catholics WERE oppressed in England at the time)

They hired Poets and Bards to vilify his acts, and encouraged the People to use him as a scapegoat for their rage. They were encouraged to make “Guys” and burn them in effigy in bonfires of revulsions. The very source of the word, “guy” is a result of this propaganda. The negative connotations faded in time, but it used to be an epithet.

It is a repeating parable, this. In fact, I can think of a very, very popular tome, in which a people’s savior is crucified by those he was trying to enlighten and free.

Hmmm. Vilification of a Revolutionary, turning their own against them…

Fox News is nothing new, you see.

We sacrifice all too quickly the innocent along with guilty, and are easy to manipulate into enjoying our own bonfires of persecution. The angry, downtrodden and oppressed are always given a sacrificial scapegoat when we get too restless, to keep us from overtaking our Oppressors.

I am going to ask you to consider a very controversial idea here, here where we rage against the Corporate takeover of our Country. There are men that very recently tried, and succeeded in bringing, (at least temporarily) one of the very sources of Oppression by the Corporate Elites. They did so, as Guy Fawkes intended; sacrificing the good with the evil for what they considered the greater good in bringing down the heart of the Oppressive Exploitation Capitalists.  How quickly they became internationally vilified, and how quickly did everyone who remotely looked like them.

One man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist, in every conflict since we crawled out of the primordial ooze.

How we view it is always a construct of what those in Power want us to view.

So, Remember, Remember as we stumble toward Fascism in this Country to take care not to judge too quickly those who would make changes by any means necessary. Was “V” a hero? I’m predispositioned to think so. Were those who flew the planes on 9/11 villains? I wonder, sometimes. Are there bad “guys” and good “guys,” or only people divided? Only people duped by their own PTB’s to be pawns in their pursuit of Control and Power?

Will we remember our own as heroes or villains?

Only time will tell.



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    • Diane G on November 5, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    in search of wisdom and understanding.

    There is far more grey in the world than we think.

  1. The idea we are talking about open rebellion from the left (as the right is always in open rebellion) is good for the soul. We need one. The people are being squeezed into concentration camps of common wisdom which is nothing but the defense of Totalitarianism.

    Before one can decide if the Operatives on 911 were freedom fighters or terrorists, one first has to know who they were, who they worked for and how they managed the feat. None of these factors are known with any certainty beyond government propaganda, therefore it’s prudent to withhold judgment. One thing we do know for certain is no credible investigation has EVER been done as regards the events 911.

    The People are reaching the boiling point. The first time it boils over, the authorities will over react. This will cause more boiling and more over reaction etc. Eventually, all hell will break lose for a time until we can all kill each other over color, faith, creed and tribe. Finally, a few kids will emerge from caves and begin again. Thanks Baron Rothschild and your whole family of sick fucks.


  2. One of the last frayed ends of the rope I hung on to during the Bush years was the certain knowledge that you describe very well here. Third generation military redhead seeing everything my family and I served for turned into the sickest of travesties over and over again… I cannot even begin to tell you how many times my thoughts turned murderous, how my heart was ablaze with very righteous fury and one of the few things staying my hand was the knowledge that the moment I’d cross such a line, I would become the very thing I hate.

  3. All efforts of recent have been designed to maintain the status quo. To keep those in power still in power. Regardless of their unbridled greed and failure … and they will go to extreme measures to maintain that control.

    Even to the point of using Military Force

    Although the assignation went mostly unheralded at the time, it marked the first time in the history of the United States that an active unit of the regular Army was placed under the immediate and exclusive command of NORTHCOM.

    The number of uniformed soldiers assigned to this duty continues to increase annually and the force is estimated to reach a strength of 20,000 by the year 2011. This massive force will all be trained and equipped to “subdue unruly or dangerous individuals” and “help with civil unrest and crowd control.” As usual, these directives are vague and could be applied to any number of scenarios.

    The laws are being changed surreptitiously while our shell shocked population goes from one state of emergency to the next.

    Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.– Ben Franklin

    • Inky99 on November 5, 2009 at 11:58 pm

    wasn’t connected to Guy Fawkes day, but I can’t help but wonder if it is.

  4. He was the only man ever to enter Parliament with honesst intentions!

    • Diane G on November 6, 2009 at 4:21 am

    trip sit essay sit, bit heck in my time zone its  bedtime, g’night, kids!

  5. We need to break free of history.


    I wonder, sometimes. Are there bad “guys” and good “guys,” or only people divided? Only people duped by their own PTB’s to be pawns in their pursuit of Control and Power?

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