Empty Talking Points, Faux Outrage, and The Lie Factory — Exposed.

(10 am. – promoted by ek hornbeck)

Ed Schultz: This wasn’t flippant, Grayson just took it to them ‘by the rules’. And he doesn’t have to apologize to nobody for anything. And you know what, there are a lot of Lefties around this Country, in their living rooms tonight saying, ‘YES! this is how you got to handle these folks!’

The Republicans are demanding an apology for the same reason they are offering Amendments about Czars — They have nothing to offer in the Health Care Debate!


Ed Schultz: Congressman Grayson do you take anything back?

Alan Grayson: Absolutely NOT!  — the people WHO should be apologizing are the Republicans — they’re the ones who should be apologize for dragging us all through the mud here, while we are just trying to improve Health Care in America.

Alan Grayson on the Ed Schultz Show: Response Has Been “Overwhelmingly Positive”


and from a recommended diary (on dailykos) which hones on the key Frame:

As Ed Schultz says in the clip, “This debate is not about cost curves and projections, it’s about life or death.”

He told Grayson some of the character assassination statements about him coming out of Republican headquarters and asked for his response.


GRAYSON: My response is WHATEVER. America is sick of you, Republican Party. You are a LIE FACTORY – that’s all you ever do. Why don’t you work together with the Democrats to solve America’s problems instead of making stuff up?

Grayson: Republicans Are A LIE FACTORY

by Alien Abductee

72 hours later the GOP response:  — No Health Care plan, No Answers, just more of the same.

aka. Crickets!  


As Ed Schultz puts it

“When you throw Facts at Conservatives they really don’t know how to handle it.

The folks that work at the Lie Factory however, are very skilled at distraction, confusion, faux outrage, and well Just Plain Lying — it’s their No. One Product!


The Five Biggest Lies in the Health Care Debate

By Sharon Begley, Aug 29, 2009

From the magazine issue dated Sep 7, 2009

Take the claim in one chain e-mail that the government will have electronic access to everyone’s bank account, implying that the Feds will rob you blind. The 1,017-page bill passed by the House Ways and Means Committee does call for electronic fund transfers-but from insurers to doctors and other providers. There is zero provision to include patients in any such system.

Five other myths that won’t die:

You’ll have no choice in what health benefits you receive.

No chemo for older Medicare patients.  

Illegal immigrants will get free health insurance.

Death panels will decide who lives.  

The government will set doctors’ wages.  

[At least 3 of these viral email Lies]

have originated in a July 19 post at blog.flecksoflife.com

And from one of the original architects of that GOP Talking Point assembly line:


Luntz to GOP: Health reform is popular

By: Mike Allen, May 5, 2009

Dr. Frank Luntz, a top Republican consultant on the language of politics, is warning the GOP that the American people want health-care reform and that lawmakers need to try to avoid directly opposing President Barack Obama.

“You simply MUST be vocally and passionately on the side of REFORM,” Luntz advises in a confidential 26-page report obtained from Capitol Hill Republicans. “The status quo is no longer acceptable. If the dynamic becomes ‘President Obama is on the side of reform and Republicans are against it,’ then the battle is lost and every word in this document is useless.

Here are some suggested arguments for Republicans that Luntz calls “clear winners”:

– “It could lead to the government setting standards of care, instead of doctors who really know what’s best.”

– “It could lead to the government rationing care, making people stand in line and denying treatment like they do in other countries with national healthcare.”

– “President Obama wants to put the Washington bureaucrats in charge of healthcare. I want to put the medical professionals in charge, and I want patients as an equal partner.”

Wow Nice. … what most people call Lies and Distortions, this GOP Think Tank guru, call “clear winners”.  … Winners for Who?

Now from a “spokesperson” from that infamous web site, where Right Wing Rumor Mills and Smear Campaigns, Go to Be Born!the NewsMax Site

In a blog posting to Newsmax John Perry wrote about a coup scenario involving the U.S. military. He clearly stated that he was not advocating such a scenario but simply describing one.

from salon.com — Newsmax explains decision to take down the Military Coup column.

Perhaps there ARE some “rhetorical bridges” that are even too far, for the Conservative Reality spinners?

Perhaps they just, hope to slow down their current “mass melt down”?

Either way, the NewsMax retraction of their contributor’s “Daydreams of a Military Coup” were hardly ground-breaking or empathic:

“he was not advocating such a scenario but simply describing one”

Classic Weasel Words, from the Leading Manufacturer of Weasel Words — your national GOP myth-making machine.

I guess, that makes everything just fine then, eh?  It was only an Intellectual Mental Exercise!?

Long time NewsMax contributer was just walking up to the edge of the Cliff — but he was NOT really suggesting we jump off it?

As per usual with such extreme views, ala Beck, O’Reilly, and Limbaugh, they just want the rest of us to step right up to the edge of that Liar’s Leap with them, so they can give us a nice little shove. … or maybe the ground will just give way, so they can maintain their precious “deniability”.  Just in case some one like George Tiller falls victim to their “Shotgun Rhetoric”.

Hey people look over here — there is no Cliff … there is only our latest trumped up Outrage of the week:

Facts? What Facts? GOP never needs any stinking Facts … They just know it’s time to Let the smearing begin —

But as Alan Grayson would say:  “WHATEVER!”

… as long as both sides — get painted with the same brush!

Grayson: I’ll keep saying GOP wants sick to die

By David Damron Sentinel Staff Writer, October 1, 2009

Republicans characterized his comments as proof he is unfit for office.

This is an unstable man who has come unhinged,” said National Republican Congressional Committee spokesman Andy Sere. “The depths to which Alan Grayson will sink to defend his indefensible comments know no bounds.”


Privately, Democrats said there was a certain irony to the Republican outrage and cited recent GOP comments that ran along similar lines.

For example, U.S. Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite, R-Brooksville, said in July that “Democrats released a health-care bill which essentially said to America’s seniors: Drop dead.”  U.S. Rep. Virginia Foxx, R-N.C., recently said Democratic proposals may “put seniors in a position of being put to death by their government.”

Paint Brush, stage Right. Yes, the House IS SUCH a Dignified place:

Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite on Obamacare — “Drop Dead”


Speak up Madam Parrot — what was that Talking Point you’re squawking on the Floor of the House:

Rep. Foxx Says Health Care Reform Will Cause Seniors To Be “Put To Death By Their Government”


Every Rumor starts somewhere!

And now a look at “the little fib” from the Queen of the Rumor Mill, from the cradle of Outrage, from America’s latest Machivelli-want-a-bee

The Young Turks deconstructs the genesis of a Talking Point Myth:

Sarah Palin – Obama Wants To Kill My Baby


Sadly however, it can take a verrry … loooong … tiiime … before one of those Confusing Canards from the Lie Factory, to be recognized for what it is, in this Country, and in our Media:

Newt Gingrich Defends Sarah Palin’s “Death Panel” Comments


“Feigned Indignation” should have No Quarter. In our Country, or in our Media.  Period!

The issues confronting us are just TOO important, “Waterloo Moments on the GOP Wish List”, Not Withstanding.

Well some of “our new media” commentators, thankfully, DO have the guts to call it, for what it is

Sept 6, 2008

Maddow Calls out GOP Lies


If we were to put a fine point on what was said at the Republican Convention this week, we might describe the attacks made against Senator Obama and the immoderate praise given to Governor Palin as the Associated Press did. They described those things as quote “Stretching the Truth”.  

Were going to go out on a limb here on Countdown, and call them “Lies”.

Were also going to call the repeated telling of those “Lies”, “Lying”.

And yet other True Patriots, have been fighting to take our Country Back, from the Original Liars — for quite a while now. From long before when, telling the truth to America, was cool.

Keith Olbermann Special Comment On Sarah Palin’s “Death Panel”


The America I know and love,” the quitter governor of Alaska Sarah Palin began, “is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s ‘death panel’ so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their ‘level of productivity in society,’ whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.”

Of course it is, Ms. Palin, and that is why it does not exist, has not existed, and would never, under this president, nor any other president, ever exist, in this country.

There is no ‘death panel.’ There is no judgment based on societal productivity. There is no worthiness test. But there is downright evil, and Ms. Palin, you just served its cause. You shouted “fire” in a crowded theater – a hot one – and then today tried to roll it back with “no, no, sorry, not fire, I meant flashlights.”

Too little, too late, too obvious. Madam, you are a clear and present danger to the safety and security of this nation.


The only ‘death panels,’ Ms. Palin, are the figurative ones you have inspired with such irresponsible, dangerous, facile, vile, hate speech. The death of common sense. The death of logic. The death, perhaps, of Democracy, at the hands of mob rule.


Keith continue soon after, continues his deconstruction of the Lie Factory of the cons:

Olbermann Special Comment On Conservative Scare Tactics


It is hardly all Sarah Palin. She is in fact a relative newcomer to the orgy of fantasized violence and imagined revolution, whose fires have been stoked, for weeks, for months, for years, by Conservatives – but more often by mere mercenaries, men and women who believe nothing, who are in it for the game, or the profit, or the sheer kick of bending masses to their will.


Glenn Beck, says that and then comes back three days later and jokes about – poisoning the Speaker of the House.


soldiers wounded, shooter says she was liberating FEMA camp, says she saw Glenn Beck tell her ‘to rise up and fight back’ – awakened to the idea that words you say on television have consequences, you plead, almost cry, for non-violence.

you enable others to join you in this neanderthalian ritual of violence to overcome the enemy – whether the enemy is real, or imagined, or whether the enemy really isn’t an enemy at all, just your neighbor, with a different point of view, who wants to talk about it, who wants to involve you in the decision even though it is his turn to steer and not yours, and even though you both know that some day our system will give you another turn to steer.

But ranting and crying and playing with toys on television, does not work, if you are advocating compromise and dialogue and thought. It works only for a mountebank making the promise of magic and power, with the underlying inherent threat of carnage and chaos. And now you add you believe ‘death panels’ are real.


But what a scare tactic! The big lie in the flesh. Your dream come true.


And then somebody from your 9/12 group told its members they should all go to the Health Care Reform Town Hall in Tampa, and break it up, and shout down anybody who disagreed with them, and scuffle with the police, and demand not discourse but disaster. Your work, Mr. Beck.


There are other instigators free in the land, […] opportunistic enough like Mr. Cornyn of Texas, to float conspiracy theories about the White House using Health Care Reform to try to compile an enemies list, one e-mail address at a time, when four years ago the same Senator was saying that the previous White House’s pernicious, warrantless, illegal consumption of everybody’s e-mail address, and everybody’s e-mail, and everybody’s websites, was defensible and justifiable because, quote, “none of your civil liberties matter much after you’re dead.”

And now pushing – is Mr. Cornyn – the supposedly independent analysis of the proposed Health Care reform by “The Lewin Group” that 119 million people would have to change their insurance – Mr. Cornyn not knowing, or being paid not to know, that “The Lewin Group” is wholly owned by an Insurance Company, the way the Lewin Group gave Mr. Boehner and Mr. Cantor 60-thousand dollars apiece. Wholly owned!


This is where the fictions come from: that it’s funding ACORN, that it guarantees free health care for illegal immigrants, mandates abortions, demands euthanasia.


It seems to have been created by “The Liberty Counsel” – an off-shoot of Jerry Falwell’s Liberty University – whose other big policy concern is the attack on Christmas.


But somewhere in those crowds of genuinely angry people, people who listen to Cornyn or Dobbs, or fantasize with Beck about poisoning their way to a Democrat-free world, or salivate like Pavlovian dogs at the sound of the shrill whistle from Sarah “Death Panel” Palin, somewhere in those crowds are some actual people with some actual brains still working and thinking and evaluating. For God’s sake, trust your instinct to think.

There are no death panels, there could never be. […]

There are no plans to take your insurance away from you. There will be no rationing of care. There will be no Health Choices Commissioner and he will not be able to transfer money electronically out of your bank account.

There will be nobody coming into your house and telling you what to eat. There will be no euthanasia.


Sarah Palin has invented the boogeyman of “death panels.” Think, please. Think, before something horrible happens.


Thank you Keith Olbermann. Keep speaking the Truth to Power. Keep Fighting the Good Fight.

Restoring America to Democracy, is worth it. One day it will be so.

Keith Olbermann: Special Comments — speaking the Truth against the Right Wing Lies every day.

Thank you Alan Grayson. Way to Deconstruct the Wingers! … The People ARE Listening.

Alan Grayson: youTube page — speaking the Truth against the Right Wing Lies every day.

Hey you other Dem-fence sitters, get off your Butts, and START FIGHTING BACK!

What do you think WE sent you to Office for, anyways?

Since American Leaders, have become SO adept at letting our Factories in our Communities close down —

How about closing down that “Lie Factory of the Right” that works so very hard every day, to let the “Status Quo” Powers in this Country, continue unchecked and unabated?

America is waiting, still.  … (for real results, in case your were wondering!)

also posted on dkos

1 comment

    • jamess on October 3, 2009 at 01:02

    It’s so good, to finally start to see a chink

    in the GOP’s Stonewalling Dam!

    Let the floods begin.

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