Why Are They Afraid To Merely ….Investigate?

Simulposted at Daily Kos

Why are both Democrats and Republicans afraid to have real, comprehensive investigations on torture and the Cheney/CIA War Crime du jour?

Investigations are just that, investigations.

SEN. McCAIN:  I don’t know if–first of all, I’d like to know the facts of the case before there should be an, an investigation.

Last I checked, the best way to get the facts of the case, was to investigate the facts of the case.


transitive verb: to observe or study by close examination and systematic inquiry

intransitive verb: to make a systematic examination ; especially : to conduct an official inquiry

To investigate something is to observe it and study it closely….and to gain knowledge.

To refuse to investigate is to refuse to gain knowledge.

Why are both Dems and Repubs afraid to merely gain knowledge …through investigation?

Because both Dems and Repubs already have enough knowledge, as does the rest of the world, to know one simple fact.

Horrendous crimes were committed. And those horrendous crimes were approved and authorized by The President and Vice President of the United States of America and carried out with their knowledge.

Everyone, and I mean everyone, is afraid to investigate for one simple reason. There is a mountain of evidence in the public sphere that all points to the inescapable fact that The President and Vice President of the United States of America, absent some miracle defense, are guilty of approving and encouraging torture, homicide by torture, and lying to congress and the American People about it and covering it up.

Stomach turning War Crimes so horrible that pictures of it need to be suppressed and the CIA’s own internal investigation by the Inspector general is to incriminating and stomach turning to be released.

From the recent Newsweek article and interview with AG Holder

For his part, Emanuel calls Holder a “strong, independent attorney general.” But Emanuel’s agitated presence hangs over the building-“the wrath of Rahm,” one Justice lawyer calls it-and he is clearly on the minds of Holder and his aides as they weigh whether to launch a probe into the Bush administration’s interrogation policies.

Holder began to review those policies in April. As he pored over reports and listened to briefings, he became increasingly troubled. There were startling indications that some interrogators had gone far beyond what had been authorized in the legal opinions issued by the Justice Department, which were themselves controversial. He told one intimate that what he saw “turned my stomach.”

It is just that simple.

The President and Vice President of the United States of America ‘did’ horrible, illegal, immoral, stomach turning things.

And no one wants to investigate it because the investigation would prove once and for all that The President and Vice President of the United States of America did ‘commit’ horrible, illegal, immoral, stomach turning War Crimes.

And then, once it has been proved….they would have to actually DO something about it.

They could no longer, as they are doing now, pretend it didn’t happen.

And really, no one has any idea just what to do about the fact that The President and Vice President of the United States of America did ‘commit’ horrible, illegal, immoral, stomach turning War Crimes. Including stomach turning torture and homicide by torture.

And that is quite simply, the choice America faces. Do we investigate and prove beyond any doubt that The President and Vice President of the United States of America voluntarily joined the ranks of the great War Criminals of human history….

Or do we ignore the fact that The President and Vice President of the United States of America voluntarily joined the ranks of the great War Criminals of human history?

Hint: Ignoring it won’t make it unhappen.


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  2. is inconvenient.

    And possibly self incriminating.

    • Edger on July 14, 2009 at 20:52

    that I liked seeing was:

    [Holder] raised with his staff the possibility of appointing a prosecutor. According to three sources familiar with the process, they discussed several potential choices and the criteria for such a sensitive investigation. Holder was looking for someone with “gravitas and grit,” according to one of these sources, all of whom declined to be named. At one point, an aide joked that Holder might need to clone Patrick Fitzgerald, the hard-charging, independent-minded U.S. attorney who had prosecuted Scooter Libby in the Plamegate affair. In the end, Holder asked for a list of 10 candidates, five from within the Justice Department and five from outside.

    It indicates to me that either he has already decide he’ll appoint a prosecutor, or he is maybe just dangling a carrot to try to quiet the movement and the pressure for one.

    But if it’s the latter then I think he’s put himself in a bad position that could make him about as popular as Gonzales was near the end of his term as AG.

    If he doesn’t appoint a prosecutor soon, I can imagine some rep in a congressional hearing asking him bluntly on camera why he asked for the list if he didn’t intend to appoint someone from it, and he would look pretty silly trying to equivocate as much as Gonzo did.

    I think we’ll see him appoint a prosecutor soon, maybe within the month?  

  3. Since all administrations do something illegal they know setting the precedent of investigating, indicting, trying and convicting will mean they, too, will face the same fate.

    Giving immunity to Bush means keeping immunity for Obama (or so they think!)

    Have I just stated the obvious?

  4. Investigations, of course, would or should ultimately reveal just how heinous their war crimes were  — maybe, there are “those” who feel that if they are not revealed, by investigation, the world will not think so badly of us and that it will forget what we have done.  But, if that’s their thinking, it’s pretty absurb, because the world is learning on an almost daily basis of worse and worse crimes that were committed and, I think, just watching and waiting to see what, if anything, we are going to do about it.  And, in that light, we are looking worse and worse on a daily basis for NOT doing anything about it.


    David Swanson thinks so, too!

    Ask Holder to Appoint a Special Prosecutor

    According to news reports over the weekend, Attorney General Eric Holder is considering whether to appoint a special prosecutor for torture.  Now is the moment for everyone to phone and Email him asking him to do so and not to give anyone immunity from that investigation.

    Phone 202-514-2001

    Email [email protected]

    Much more you can do: Prosecute Bush & Cheney Org

    • Edger on July 14, 2009 at 21:40

    OpenCongress.org on their Ed Perlmutter page has a list of links to more 2000 blog posts today mentioning Perlmutter.

    The top two links right now of the more than 2000 are to MinistyOfTruth’s war crimes accountability posts at Antemedius and Docudharma…

  5. Like some others on this site I follow the latest research on 9/11. It is obvious to anyone who understands basic science that the OCT is simply one big lie.

    My sense is that the re-emergence of the shadow of 9/11 is part and parcel of the current weirdness.

  6. because their afraid to get splattered with the puss that’s oozing from it.

    From revelations about Pelosi to Harman to Jello Jay and many more in the Dem’s Congressional (so called) Leadership, the pattern of response appears to be that they either didn’t know or that they were misinformed.  

    That’s a convenient case to make so long as Obama can keep a lid on the FOIA requests and so long as embedded Bushies within the National Security apparatus stay relatively quiet.  The last thing the Pelosi, Reid et al. want to do is launch a real investigation to expose all of the putrid filth because they will be shown to have been involved, at least passively (with the Dems is there anything else?), in enabling Bush’s heinous war and other high crimes.

    So instead the Dems fight a quiet PR war with the Goopers by way of limited hangouts, a game of chicken where they hit just hard enough to keep the Goopers from getting any crazy ideas about trying to project primary culpability for Bush era crimes onto the Dems.

    Basically, it’s CYA by MAD, yet mutually assured destruction only works as a deterrent if both sides feel they have something to lose.  The more these leaks continue to escalate, the more the Goopers may decide its time to get biblical.  

  7. eyeball overload. I tried to follow the comments at the orange. silly me.


    Konwn unkowns (4+ / 0-)

    Yell Louder!!! @ Docudharma

    by buhdydharma on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 01:54:25 PM CDT


    • Adam on July 15, 2009 at 04:19

    Evidence that is cataloged in even unsuccessful investigations. Evidence that can be gotten out of government archives at a later date by future investigators, or through freedom of information act searches.

    If evidence is ever gathered by the government in a case, there’s a fairly decent chance of one day prosecuting a crime.

    No evidence? It’s almost impossible to prosecute a case with no physical evidence.

  8. is the same as it has been for decades and it aint changing.


    What do you think they’re afraid of, disclosure of their own actions. Simple, always been simple, always be simple.

  9. of moral and legal issues involved are just a smokescreen. Constructs to cloak the unthinkable obvious evil and illegal behind. They cannot investigate as it would lead to the simple fact that they tore down the laws of humanity and our nation for unmitigated greed and world dominance. The destruction of our principles and system was needed as it stood in the way. Extreme nationalism and capitalism are the classic tools used by evil empires hell bent on wrecking the world and calling it necessary for security. If they investigated it it would become apparent that the myths that prop this up were/are the same fictions that historically all the monsters who seek to conquer and enslave use.        

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