What Are the Implications of the End of an Empire?

Trillions of actual debt.

Tens of trillions more in liability.

An economy, which is an artificial construct whose success or failure lies in a shockingly large way on the belief in it….on a cusp that could spin it into collapse or recovery. Two wars being prosecuted, without the soldiers or equipment to prosecute them. A hostile world, based on the past actions of those who have run the American Empire, a hostile world not ready to trust America at all, ready to help only if it is in their interest, since that is how America has acted towards them. While insulting them over and over by Imperialistic hubris.

A startling lack of leadership, planning and peparation by a corrupt and incompetent leadership.

Many of the conditions for an internal collapse, helped by external enemies and/or hostility or indifference by our former allies, now exist.

What are the implications, broadly speaking, of the collapse of the American Empire established by Bush/Cheney and their nominal successor, McCain?

If the American economy collapses, and we cannot afford to wage wars, and we are frozen (rightfully so) due to our irresponsibility out of the world economy to the extent possible, if we are perceived as the bad guys (rightfully so) and shunned by the rest of the world, while economic chaos and depression rage at home…..what does that mean? When the greed and corruption at the heart of all this is exposed in the investigations that will follow is exposed, what happens then? If (rightfully so) War Crimes are uncovered, and America is no longer strong enough to bluff it off, then what?

What does it mean for America as a country, what does it mean for American institutions, what does it mean for its People? What does it mean to you?

What new, Post American, world lies ahead of us? How can we be part of creating it?

Just thought I would ask.

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    • robodd on September 24, 2008 at 20:49

    of “one world.”  International rights and regulation of trade, labor, basic human freedoms and protections.

    And, of course, just the opposite could happen: global feudalism or fascism.  

    Interesting times to come–indeed.

    • Robyn on September 24, 2008 at 20:53

    An economy, which is an artificial construct whose success or failure lies in a shockingly large way on the belief in it.

    I’m thinking about presenting a class in Homeless 101 for those interested.

    • Edger on September 24, 2008 at 20:54

    I think, speaking only for myself, that out of self interest most people at some point in their lives come to the realization that the best way to get treated the way they want to be treated, on a one to one basis, is to treat other people the way they want those people to treat them.

    I think that greed is a warped and twisted form of real self interest.  

  2. civil war leading to possible nuclear armageddon.  Certainly plenty of cleansing of the ethnic/racial and religous type. Upper New England and possibly Massachusetts to break off. New York down to Maryland with probably Pennsylvania.  Some form of Midwest grouping, with Indiana being a transfer (or half the state split with the South) area for the cleansing going on.  Utah to go independent.  Idaho, too.  The Dakotas, Montana and Wyoming probably to be  a grouping.  Northern Calif plus Washington and Oregon.  Southern California, Arizona and New Mexico return back to Mexico.  Texas independent or merged with Oklahoma and possibly Kansas.  The Confederacy, minus Texas, reborn.

    This isn’t an original thesis, there was a book written along these lines that I can’t recall the title.

  3. but I have no answers. Surprise, surprise.

    But I think about the poet who has been such a guru for me, David Whyte. He talks alot about how we have to pay “fierce attention” to the world. And also about how human beings used to have to do that in order to survive before we sheltered ourselves so much from nature’s elements. I agree with him, and think that as this tumble really beings to happen, we need to stay alert and tuned in so that we can recognize the potentials when they appear.

    Here’s a poem that captures some of that.

    Lost

    Stand still.

    The trees ahead and the bushes beside you Are not lost.

    Wherever you are is called Here,

    And you must treat it as a powerful stranger,

    Must ask permission to know it and be known.

    The forest breathes. Listen. It answers,

    I have made this place around you,

    If you leave it you may come back again, saying Here.

    No two trees are the same to Raven.

    No two branches are the same to Wren.

    If what a tree or a bush does is lost on you,

    You are surely lost. Stand still.

    The forest knows Where you are.

    You must let it find you.

    An old Native American elder story rendered into modern English by David Wagoner  

  4. I was hardly on dd yesterday because I was mailing out as much info as possible to the “mad as hell but uninformed and don’t know what to do about it” folks.

    I sent out links and easy info, graduated to assumed understanding levels, to my diverse lists.

    This is our opportunity. Remember GrannyHelen’s Pizza guy.

    We’ve known for some time that the old tactics of “in-the-streets” protest don’t work anymore.  So this is the chance to catch that anger through communication and let folks know that this whole system is corrupt and must be changed.

    I’ve been trying to post information from The Army Times, where the-our government is planning to deploy a combat brigade domestically, inside the Divided States of America for control of the populance in case of emergencies…starting next month, October!

    Haven’t found the time; however…I’ll look it up and post the link in comment below.  Be right back!

  5. for deploying combat brigade

    troops in U.S.

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