Impeachment is the only way they don’t get away with torture

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United States Constitution, Article 2, Section 2:  The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

Emphasis mine.

Impeachment at this juncture and based on the revelations over , regardless of the arguments against it, is a moral imperative.  Bush will no doubt pardon anyone that has any connection to any wrongdoings, and even though Obama and Clinton talk about investigating the crimes committed in this administration, I think we all probably know how difficult it will be to get anything meaningful done in that respect, although if either of them do, I will be so very pleasantly surprised.

That being said, the arguments of “not enough time” or “not enough votes” all melt away when compared to the implications and consequences of ignoring and tacitly approving of torture.  Torture is the most heinous and sadistic of acts that I can possibly think of.  I would be willing to be there are millions, nay, tens of millions of Americans who agree with me.  Yet, for us tens of millions, we will be known as “those people who torture”.  

And it will not be forgotten, nor will anybody be forgiven (not to mention our troops being at greater risk for being tortured if captured).  

Illegal wiretapping, while a violation of the Constitution and most certainly an impeachable offense, is not a crime against humanity.  Outing an entire covert network of nuclear proliferation tracking, certainly more impeachable than lying about a blowjob, was never something that most people could understand how directly they were impacted by that.  Ignoring subpoenas, destroying evidence of torture, lying to Congress and misleading the American people wasn’t something that apparently caught on in terms of anyone in Congress caring enough to pursue.

But torture is different.

Torture is subhuman.  Torture is clearly illegal.  Torture is a stain on the entire country.  It   is never “for noble causes”.  It is never “right”, it is never “just” and it is never acceptable on any legal or moral level whatsoever.

Criminals associated with the administration were pardoned and the country “moved ahead” in a number of prior republican administrations.  And while some of these criminals did commit some heinous crimes, I don’t believe that top administration officials – including the President – had such a hand in directing, approving and planning the torture of other humans – no matter what those humans were suspected of doing (or merely being associated with).

And this is the difference. Whether we approve of Bush and his administration or not, he does represent this country.  As does/did Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Tenet, Powell and Ashcroft.  They are the face of “America’s bullying foreign policy”.  

And they have associated this country with being torturers.

There is only one remedy that will ensure that the perpetrators will not get away with it.  And to make any argument against this remedy ignores the consequence of “America tortures” will have on us for many years to come.  It can be used as an excuse for attacks on our troops.  It can be used as an excuse to attack US interests around the world.  It can be used as an excuse to attack us here in America.  It can be used as a reason to not ever take us seriously again.

What happens now is what will define us as a nation.


Please join the ACLU in demanding a special prosecutor to investigate the role that was played by the highest officials in the Bush administration – including Bush himself in the acts described above.

And please spread the word – even if the corporate media doesn’t think that this is important enough – it is how we act now with respect to accountability that will determine who we are as a country.  It has been almost two weeks since this story broke and there is still a near complete blackout on this story.


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    • clammyc on April 19, 2008 at 00:35

    against impeachment can override the legacy of doing nothing.

  1. I don’t see it happening.  I’m an ACLU member and have already signed the petition but I have no hope of seeing an impeachment proceeding.  Pelosi and Reid will trample any effort whatsoever at holding these crooks accountable.

  2. there is no restoration or repair without accountability and justice.

    demand accountability

    • OPOL on April 19, 2008 at 02:58

    Thanks for all you do for the cause.  (Trust all is well with the youngster 🙂

    • Edger on April 19, 2008 at 04:00

    I would have said no. Impeachement hearings would take too much time and would distract from forcing an end to the Iraq occupation.

    Now I think it’s also the only way to end the occupation, as well as nail them for torturing…

  3. “The Men put on trial in 1947 and 1948 were the first of 20,000 civilian and military former leaders who had either killed prisoners or had participated in the vague crime of instigating the war. While many would endure prison sentences of varying lengths, 900 were executed in trials around Asia.”

    After the Tokyo War Trials, it was obvious that we understood clearly what constituted torture, 900 executed for torture & instigating a war.

    Yet, “It`s your baby, go do it”, sounds more like the fictional, “Let`s roll”.

    Kindaliesalot Rice, telling Tenet to get busy, makes me think that those in the torture meetings had nothing to fear, except having history not look kindly on them.

    I also believe that impeachment is the only recourse to right this ship, already shuddering on the shoals of insanity, & have felt that way since the drumbeats of war started echoing in my flash-backed mind of the sixties.

    Whoever does not advocate impeachment now, will be tasked with telling their children & grandchildren, why they didn`t even try. No one promises success by trying,  but failure is a certainty for not.


  4. The indictment accused the defendants of promoting a scheme of conquest that “contemplated and carried out … murdering, maiming and ill-treating prisoners of war (and) civilian internees … forcing them to labor under inhumane conditions … plundering public and private property, wantonly destroying cities, towns and villages beyond any justification of military necessity; (perpetrating) mass murder, rape, pillage, brigandage, torture and other barbaric cruelties upon the helpless civilian population of the over-run countries.”

    Joseph Keenan, the chief prosecutor representing the United States at the trial, issued a press statement along with the indictment: ” war and treaty-breakers should be stripped of the glamour of national heroes and exposed as what they really are — plain, ordinary murderers.”

    What makes anything different today.

  5. The next time someone says that, drop this on them:

    If Congress decided to impeach Bush or Cheney then it could happen fairly quickly.

    Andrew Johnson fired Edwin Stanton on February 21, 1868. On March 2nd, ten days later, the House voted to impeach him for that crime. The trial lasted two months. The Republicans who led the impeachment against Johnson won the Presidential election later that year with 53% of the popular vote.

    On July 27th, 1974, the Judiciary Committee approved Articles of Impeachment against Richard Nixon for spying on Americans and ignoring subpoenas. On August 8th, twelve days later, Nixon announced that he would resign. [BBC]

    The House voted to initiate impeachment hearings for Bill Clinton in October 1998. He was impeached two months later on December 19th. The trial began January 7th after the Winter break and ended one month later on February 6th.

    An aide to Senator Patty Murray (D-WA) once said that the impeachment of Bush might take longer because the crimes were so much more serious and more numerous and there was so much more evidence. But we could focus on one or two of the most serious crimes to begin with. Bush or Cheney need only be convicted on one Article of Impeachment in order to be removed from office.

    At a minimum, we can at least start impeachment hearings in the Judiciary Committee. Representative Wexler and others are asking John Conyers to begin hearings.

    • Edger on April 19, 2008 at 16:22

    “Why would I impeach myself?”

  6. of Shirley Golub’s campaign for Pelosi’s seat. There are also some impeachment events coming up in the next several weeks.

  7. An impeachment “trial” before the world would be and is the only way we can attempt to remove the stigma now attached to the United States and its peoples.

    It is the only means by which we can commence to level out this horrendous situation we find ourselves in.  It is THE first step toward return to the rule of the law.

    Our forefathers foresaw the possiblity of despots and gave us the provisions of impeachment in the Constitution for that very reason.

    Torture and all the war crimes — let’s not forget Fallujah and the use of white phospherous on the people (and BTW, orders were given to use it on the men as young as 10 years old), and the use of depleted uranium, causing cancer and deformities of new borns — are at the top of the list of impeachable crimes.

    And, of course, all the other crimes — lying us into a war, and on and on and on — we all know the rest.

    Rationally speaking, impeachment shouldn’t be questionable, it should be a fact.


  8. They all need to be held accountable…so many have suffered and died for these….wait, there really is no word for them is there????

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