Who are you?

I have often thought that most political disagreements break down along the lines of two slogans:

If you’re conservative you believe that everyone lifts themselves up by their own bootstraps.

If you’re liberal you believe that a rising tide lifts all boats.

We who are liberal tend to look at our collective responsibility to one another and cannot separate our sorrows, successes, failures and joys from those of others. I’d like to take a deeper look at this notion, something that was prompted by an essay written by Edger this week titled This Is Me in which he quoted Alan Watts:

This feeling of being lonely and very temporary visitors in the universe is in flat contradiction to everything known about man (and all other living organisms) in the sciences. We do not “come into” this world; we come out of it, as leaves from a tree. As the ocean “waves,” the universe “peoples.” Every individual is an expression of the whole realm of nature, a unique action of the total universe. This fact is rarely, if ever, experienced by most individuals. Even those who know it to be true in theory do not sense or feel it, but continue to be aware of themselves as isolated “egos” inside bags of skin.

The idea that we are “isolated egos inside bags of skin” is something that has permeated our culture so deeply it becomes manifest in almost every facet of our lives. I am reminded of a book I read not too long ago that challenged this kind of thinking and left me forever uncomfortable with the notion of isolation. The book is No Boundary by Ken Wilber.

In the first chapter titled “Who am I,” Wilbur asks us to think about how we define the difference between “me” and “not me.” Where do we draw that boundary? Seems like an easy question to answer, doesn’t it? But Wilber shows the complications involved as he walks us through the various “self” boundaries we have created.

The first place most people draw the boundary is the one Watt’s referred to – our bodies. The line between myself and the rest of the world is drawn by my skin. But Wilbur asks the following question:

“Do you feel you are a body, or do you feel you have a body?” Most individuals feel that they have a body, as if they owned or possessed it much as they would a car, a house, or any other object. Under these circumstances, the body seems not so much “me” as “mine,” and what is “mine,” by definition, lies outside the self/not-self boundary.

This drives the question inward then to a postulation that the boundary of “me/not me” lies between the body and the mind or ego. This form of disembodied self is not as obvious to us all, but does play havoc with our sense of self. So many of the breakdowns between medicine and psychology are based on this unnatural boundary that we so often draw. And, as Wilbur says,

The boundary is drawn between the mind and the body, and the person identifies squarely with the former. He even comes to feel that he lives in his head, as if he were a miniature person in his skull, giving directions and commands to his body, which may or may not obey.

But psychologically, there is yet another boundary that is often drawn even more narrowly in the attempt to answer the question “Who am I?” That is the boundary between the part of our mind/ego that we are willing to accept, and the part that is often called the “shadow.” We want to wall off from consideration those parts of ourselves that are unacceptable and only embrace the good in our self-definition. This boundary causes reactions like repression and projection of the negative onto others; something often seen in the authoritarian personality.

Now it becomes clear why Wilbur titled his book “No Boundary.” His prescription is to get rid of the boundaries and find the “transpersonal self,” which he describes this way:

As the individual begins to reflect on her life through the eyes of the archetypes and mythological images common to humankind, her awareness may begin to shift to a more universal perspective. She is looking at herself not through her own eyes, which are in some ways prejudiced, but through the eyes of the collective human spirit – a different view indeed! She is no longer exclusively preoccupied with her own personal vantage point. In fact, if this process quickens correctly, her identity, her very self, expands qualitatively to these more or less global dimensions, and her soul becomes saturated with depth.

I am way too much of an amateur to go much farther with all this. But somehow I feel that this distinction is critical for us to begin to grasp and that our ability to do so would revolutionize how we treat each other and the planet. Our feelings of loneliness and isolation are fed by these false boundaries we create for ourselves. And that, in turn fuels the fear, greed, and addiction that keeps people so blinded and numb to what is happening in our country and in the world.

So I’ll leave you with Wilbur’s question, “Who are you?”

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  1. this essay to my friend Pat. She is the one who recommended “No Boundary” as a selection for my book group.

    Two years ago this week Pat died of lung cancer. She was an amazing woman and a good friend. I miss her.

  2. John Donne, wrote in 1624:

    No man is an island, entire of itself; every

    man is a piece of the continent, a part of the

    main. If a clod be washed away by the sea,

    Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory

    were, as well as if a manor of thy friend’s or

    of thine own were: any man’s death diminishes

    me, because I am involved in mankind, and

    therefore never send to know for whom the bells

    tolls; it tolls for thee.”

    This is No. 17 and the most famous part of a longer prose piece from “Devotions Upon Emergent Occasions.”

    Methinks the good doctor might have been a liberal in this time.

    • kj on February 10, 2008 at 18:23

    said it well:   (I am large, I contain multitudes.)  

  3. …absolutely wonderful.

    One thing that’s sort of interesting to me (emphasis on “sort of” and “to me”) is how so much of my politics are rooted in embodiment and immanent value — I am my body — and yet the ability to “get” this, in a fundamental way, seems to transcend politics.

    Gotta read the book.  No pineal gland pivots ’round here 🙂

  4. just a small matter tho…..

    what if you are bare foot and your boat has a hole in it…..

    this conservative/liberal dichotomy sucks……

    we got to come up with something better…….

    as for me……

    • kj on February 10, 2008 at 18:31

    began to fascinate me awhile back. I started with Robert Bly’s short book, “The Little Book on the Human Shadow” and ended up somewhere north of Marie-Louise von Franz’s “Shadow and Evil in Fairy Tales.” Stacks of books still on the shelves, the subject led me to probably the most rewarding reading/research of my life.

    What does it mean (in actual, practical practice) to ’embrace our shadow’?  And what happens to us when we don’t attempt the embrace.   🙂

  5. If you’re conservative you believe that everyone lifts themselves up by their own bootstraps.

    If you’re liberal you believe that a rising tide lifts all boats.

    Then there’s this phenomenon of collective punishment, which holds groups responsible for the misdoings of individuals.  It’s hardly the individualism of the “bootstrap” theory, yet many conservatives believe in it, especially the neoconservatives who funded the Israeli bombing of Lebanon and who continue to support the starvation diet imposed upon the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

    Opponents of collective punishment, on the other hand, resort to philosophical individualism, arguing that individuals, and not collectives, ought to be held responsible for individual misdeeds.

    • Edger on February 10, 2008 at 19:04

    “Conservaliberal”?

    We as human beings are the natural world, as much as is the biosphere that we are a fundamental part of rather than simply living in, and whatever we do to it we do to ourselves.

    Christianity, the major religion in the western world, says “As ye sow, so shall ye reap”.

    Karma can be reduced to “You get what you give”.

    The Beatles said “And in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make”. It is the last lyric on the last album they recorded.

    Watts also suggested that:

    “We do not need a new religion or a new bible. We need a new experience–a new feeling of what it is to be ‘I’.”

    “Conservaliberal”?

    All of our countries and political systems, and all of our differences and conflicts, including our wars are, in this context, social constructs within the larger world, and do not and cannot exist in isolation from it. It is the base medium in which all else grows and lives. Or dies. It is our back yard, and if we poison it we poison ourselves.

    • Edger on February 10, 2008 at 19:06
  6. Especially liked:

    Our feelings of loneliness and isolation are fed by these false boundaries we create for ourselves. And that, in turn fuels the fear, greed, and addiction that keeps people so blinded and numb to what is happening in our country and in the world.

    That’s one of the things that’s so great about this site — people are reaching outside their boundaries in so many different ways. Thanks, N!    

  7. when I was looking for the Who video, this one came up in my search. Another interesting take on “Who are you?” that sort of fits with buhdy’s essay yesterday.

    • Tigana on February 10, 2008 at 20:08

    Ugh!  

    • Tigana on February 10, 2008 at 20:12

    “Our feelings of loneliness and isolation are fed by these false boundaries we create for ourselves. And that, in turn fuels the fear, greed, and addiction that keeps people so blinded and numb to what is happening in our country and in the world.”

    😡

  8. If you study a bit of cultural anthropology and human history you start to realize that “boundary issues” are pretty much culturally determined.  How we are currently educated within the context of our western rational mindset combined with the “unearthly” basis of monotheism sets the tone for our “boundary issues.”

    I must confess that I am personally NOT a Ken Wilbur fan (his intellectual arrogance never ceases to stun me into abject boredom), philosophically speaking, though I am a huge Alan Watts fan.  However I really enjoyed this diary, thanks for writing it!

  9. sort of a member in the cult of poet David Whyte. Those of you who have read my essays will begin to notice this. Here’s his amusing take on this theme:

    Everything Is Waiting For You

    Your great mistake is to act the drama

    as if you were alone. As if life

    were a progressive and cunning crime

    with no witness to the tiny hidden

    transgressions. To feel abandoned is to deny

    the intimacy of your surroundings. Surely,

    even you, at times, have felt the grand array;

    the swelling presence, and the chorus, crowding

    out your solo voice. You must note

    the way the soap dish enables you,

    or the window latch grants you freedom.

    Alertness is the hidden discipline of familiarity.

    The stairs are your mentor of things

    to come, the doors have always been there

    to frighten you and invite you,

    and the tiny speaker in the phone

    is your dream-ladder to divinity.

    Put down the weight of your aloneness and ease into

    the conversation. The kettle is singing

    even as it pours you a drink, the cooking pots

    have left their arrogant aloofness and

    seen the good in you at last. All the birds

    and creatures of the world are unutterably

    themselves. Everything is waiting for you.

  10. Or, at least, what motivates me.  Recommended viewing tonight, National Geographic Channel:

    National Geographic’s 6 Degrees

    • kj on February 11, 2008 at 01:11

    for the essay, NL.  If you don’t already know… and for what it’s worth, you and your essays are one of the reasons I continue to participate here.  Despite the rumblings of discontents, I sense a spirit- in both in you, and with the bloggers here as a whole- that hasn’t been crushed by exterior or interior events.  For me, that spirit is an important “find.”

    namaste

    • RiaD on February 11, 2008 at 01:49

    this has given me alot to mull over…

    & some more books to go ask about at the library…

    so much of this is new to me…

    not the thinking about stuff like this, but the idea that anybody else does.

    living in the south changes ones perspective you see…

    (^.^)

    raising kids thru raygunomics left little time for research into these ‘crazy ideas’… hardly anyone could even concieve why I’d even wonder about stuff like that…’don’t worry your purty little head..’

    i’m still learning!

    gods & ancestors, I Love this place!

  11. and then watched it for almost an hour with nary a comment. I thought to myself, “Well, that didn’t go over too well. I hope someone at least drops in to say hi.”

    You never know, do you?

    • kj on February 11, 2008 at 04:27

    This is mostly for Tigana:

    As has been said in many places over the years, I am not an academic, but come straight out of the school of experience. I’m not a professional anything. I scramble for work. I post only out of my own experience and it is always to be taken as that… one person’s experience.  No degrees, no initials behind my name. Not proud of that, but not ashamed, either. I’m just an average pissant progressive.

    If I have given the impression that I know anything about Jung, or dreamwork, other than a via my own flawed attempts to make sense of some of the issues in my life, I am sorry, that wasn’t my intent.

    What I have done for the issues I believe in, what has been given or given up, I might share in bits and pieces, but probably won’t.  What I’ve done isn’t important.  What we might be able to do together is important.

    That’s why I’m here. To be part of a community of aware activists who focus on issues, not political campaigns.

  12. I think almost everyone has gone to bed now. If you haven’t and you see this, I’d like to say that if any of the anger you’ve been spreading all over this thread is directed at me, I think its because of what happened in this thread over the holidays.

    I’d like to ask you to be direct with me about that and see if we can get things aired out.

    I’ve got to go to bed now, but I’ll leave the floor to you to say what you will. I’ll be back in the morning and see if you’ve taken the opportunity I’m offering.

    Goodnight.  

    • Tigana on February 11, 2008 at 07:18
    1. I get such a notion of power.

      Compare that to the powerlessness of “isolated egos inside bags of skin.”

  13. Sorry I missed this whole thread while it was happening.  Just reading the entrails now.

    I tend to hate Freud and love Jung and vote Democrat.

    1. I’ve never learned how to do that. Maybe someone else will come along and do it for me.  

  14. I’m sorry for the loss of Pat.

    1. I have years of experience both personally and professionally with people who have no sense of themselves who try to fill that void with helping others. All too often, they encourage those they want to help to become perpetual victims. Both my family and my profession are filled with folks like that.

      There is a reason why flight attendants tell you to secure your own oxygen mask before trying to help others.  

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