See, y’all got it all backwards. None other than Norman Podhoretz just knows that this is a vast left wing and intelligence community conspiracy. Mister Bush says that this is proof that we need to step up pressure on Iran – precisely because they stopped their weapons program.
And that goes exactly with the thinking of the chest thumping “send others off to kill and die” crowd. Are you “formidable” and do you have nuclear weapons? Then sorry, we don’t want to mess with you. But if you appear to be formidable and “evil”, but aren’t really a dire (or even imagined) threat to the US, your neighbors or anyone else, then it is of utmost importance to make sure that the weapons that aren’t being developed, well, aren’t being developed.
Which makes the NIE confirm the reason why Iran must be bombed. Just look at recent past history.
Pakistan – has nukes, quite possibly sold nuclear secrets to Iran, Iraq, Syria, North Korea and who knows what other countries. Harbors terrorists that are launching attacks against our troops, and who were responsible for 9/11. Clearly, our friend.
North Korea – charter member of the “Axis of Evil”, thumbed its nose at the US while developing nukes and telling Bush to piss off. Too crazy to bomb, especially since one of those nukes could possibly hit the west coast of the US.
Israel – heh….(and I am Jewish)
Which brings us back to Iraq and Iran. Of course it doesn’t really matter what the facts are or who knew what and when. It doesn’t matter that this same bunch of criminals leading the drumming for war with Iran and Iraq ruined the ability to actually track what was going on with their nuclear weapons program. What matters is certainty.
Now, certainty to some may be 16 of the country’s intelligence agencies agreeing on the fact that there is no need to bomb Iran – especially after its discontinuance of any weapons program, and even as recently as this summer there has still been no sign of nuclear weapons.
But, see – that is looking at it completely backwards. Logic doesn’t apply to madmen such as Bush, Cheney, the neoconservatives at the American Enterprise Institute, er, Ahmadinejad. Witness the always sane John Bolton:
“While I was in the administration, I saw intelligence march up the hill and down the hill in short periods of time with no reason for them to change their mind,” said John R. Bolton, Bush’s former ambassador to the United Nations. “I’ve never based my view on this week’s intelligence.”
Forget those commie terrorist loving intelligence agencies. It is that good solid intelligence from people like Doug Feith, Richard Perle, the above luminary Podhoretz and Paul Wolfowitz that was spot on with respect to Iraq, so it must be trusted over the entire intelligence community Or we can take the sage advice of Stephen Hadley, who conveniently ignored calls and memos indicating that the “16 words” should be taken out of Bush’s SOTU Address:
Hadley added, pointing to Iran’s continued enrichment of uranium, which could eventually be used to assist a weapons program. “I’m sure some people will use this as an excuse or a pretext for, you know, flagging on the effort,” he said. “Our argument is actually it should be just the reverse, because we need to keep the halting of the nuclear weapons program in place.”
So, don’t believe your lying eyes. The NIE doesn’t prove anything other than that Iran is more dangerous than ever, and must be bombed. After all, it may develop the weapons that it stopped trying to develop years ago. And we can’t take any chances that this clearly non-imminent threat may eventually at some point become just a plain “non-imminent threat”.
That much is clear.
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is that not only is this kind of crap from the neocons getting more and more simple minded and transparent as time goes on…. they don’t seem to even care that it is transparent or how many people can see through it.
They do it anyway, like they’re just laughing at the population now and giving them the finger…
but it says alot about this adminstration. As you can see it has typical conservative slants to it.
1. Immigration lawlessness and rising crime wave by illegal aliens.
2. Government bankruptcy and indebtedness at an all-time high.
3. Social Security swindle-Social Security Fund battered as Feds blow money on worthless spending scams.
4. Veteran mistreatment and genocide. Most V. A. hospitals are deathtraps; Vets receive inferior medical care. Millions of Vets are dying from Agent Orange (Vietnam), Persian Gulf War sickness, and other service-related illnesses.
5. Outsourcing of American jobs-to foreigners in Pakistan, India, Red China, Mexico, Indonesia, etc. America’s manufacturing base declining rapidly and being shifted overseas.
6. Foreign student takeover of America’s colleges, universities, and public schools.
7. Corporate globalism-Greedy U.S. corporations, as globalist entities, are unpatriotic and hostile to American interests.
8. Harnessing of U.S. Military for global mercenary duties. Americans forced to pay for and fight Israel’s wars and die for causes unrelated to U.S. defense.
9. Hate Crime laws-state, federal, and U.N.-forbid free speech, prohibit criticism of Israel and prevent the Christian gospel being preached.
10. Sexual barbarism and dehumanization accomplished by vulgar, crude, sexually explicit, physically degrading movies, television, cartoons, books, video games, advertising and other media.
11. Private property regularly seized and its uses restricted to promote the Communist agenda of environmentalist and globalist organizations.
12. Unfair and unlawful tax system used to rob producers and transform U.S. citizens into federalized serfs and wards of the state.
13. Manipulation of water supplies and contrived water shortages used to drive up water prices and control the citizenry.
14. White race discriminated against and American culture savaged by promotion of “cultural diversity.”
15. Two meaningless political parties whose real agenda are identical, and corrupt, rigged elections which frustrate the will of the people.
16. Satanization of society through occult influences and symbols which permeate media, music, entertainment, and sports.
17. Free Press replaced by propaganda ministries and elitist media accomplices who work nonstop to psychologically hypnotize, mesmerize, and control the minds of the population.
18. “War on Terror” used as pretext to create an American police state and remove the peoples’ constitutional rights.
19. Death culture promoted. Conditioning of minds. Desensitizing of the masses to the mass genocide to come, with abortion, euthanasia, necrophilia, cannibalism, group death, and cruelty.
20. Gulag concentration camps prepared for resisters and dissidents.
21. Religious debasement. False religions promoted and encouraged. Traditional Christianity portrayed as anti-Semitic, bigoted and politically incorrect.
What gives the US the moral high ground when discussing nukes? We are the only country to ever actually use them. How can a country lead the fight against nuclear weapons when it possesses the largest number itself?
black is white, and all is topsy turvy, the people don’t like this shit. They may not be able to lay it down, but in this strange and twisted world, they do know despite the pundit reality this is not what is happening. From Clinton to Podhoretz this does not fly.
appear to be able to follow any conversation with facts in it, if it last more than 15 – 20 sec…….
I do not believe it much matters any more what the facts are……
we appear to be being driven by our conditioned anchoring in our appetitive drives……
we then look to the media to get a covering explanation for our beliefs……
rational or irrational……
I think Cheney wants to bomb the intelligence agencies.