My heartfelt appreciation for providing a forum to discuss the events surrounding 9/11. For too long, too many have been afraid to confront the glaring holes in the official account, and I for one am happy that in a place with so many thoughtful and intelligent people, we might begin to have an honest and open discussion about this vitally important topic.
“Finding the occasional straw of truth awash in a great ocean of confusion and bamboozle requires intelligence, vigilance, dedication and courage. But if we don’t practice these tough habits of thought, we cannot hope to solve the truly serious problems that face us — and we risk becoming a nation of suckers, up for grabs by the next charlatan who comes along.” ~ Carl Sagan
Personally, I’ve always been puzzled by so many who unquestioningly believe in the official story. After all of the lies we have been told and all of the other depths we already know the Administration has plumbed, refusing to even consider placing 9/11 in the list of Bushist crimes simply doesn’t make sense.
Interestingly enough, many of the same folks who vehemently deny and ridicule any deviation from the official story of 9/11 will invariably rip to shreds the most trifling inaccuracy in any other government or media report. Yet when it comes the topic of 9/11, many of these same proud skeptics mimic the brainwashed soldiers in Manchurian Candidate, repeating the same unthinking ‘extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence’ mantra over and over while absolutely (and often aggressively) defying any attempts to suggest a different narrative.
Extraordinary claims do not require extraordinary evidence. They require the same evidence as any other claim. What’s more, who is to say what an extraordinary claim really is – that 19 poorly educated trained and barely armed men were able to wholly compromise to devastating effect the security and intelligence apparatus of the most powerful nation on earth, and that they did so without the complicity of someone inside that apparatus? Now that is what I call extraordinary.
“We tell lies when we are afraid… afraid of what we don’t know, afraid of what others will think, afraid of what will be found out about us. But every time we tell a lie, the thing that we fear grows stronger.”~ Tad Williams
In truth, I believe the stubborn reticence in considering alternative explanations for 9/11 is due in large part to emotional rather than intellectual reasons: many people just don’t want to go there, because they are scared to death of confirming what they may already suspect. Namely, that the Leaders of our government are willing to indiscriminately murder us to achieve their political objectives.
This idea is just too mind boggling for some people to ever even begin to consider, so they instead defend the official fairy tale as if its gospel truth – because they know that to question the sacred story is to open the door to questioning the very foundations of our faith in America, its government, and our democratic system.
“The simple step of a courageous individual is not to take part in the lie. One word of truth outweighs the world. “~ Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Yet what use are democratic principles if we unflinchingly accept that our leaders can remain wholly unaccountable for even the most heinous crimes committed against us? Moreover, without that accountability, what’s to stop that same Leadership from committing even worse atrocities against us in the future?
Is that to say we know for a fact that Cheney and his cabalists premeditatedly planned and carried out the attacks on 9/11? No. But if there is even the slightest chance that they did so, or knowingly let it happen (which is just as bad), it is imperative that we fully investigate those facts, because there is simply too much at stake for our country and our democracy to bury our heads in the sand in the vain hope this will all just go away with the next President.
So thank you again, buhdydharma, for your courage in helping to learn the truth.
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But this is not Dkos.
Let me just restate one thing.
You can write about it, but if people slam you for it that is ok too.
It is merely ALLOWED.
Not necessarily encouraged or supported.
gave up any chance of finding the truth.
I’ll volunteer for that position.
Please explain why you think that George Bush killed Barbara Olson.
a bunch of fundies with cell phones and box cutters could do what they did. No trouble at all.
A few years ago, a couple of nihilists with a truck full of shit blew up part of Oklahoma city.
We are a crude species, and even in an age of technology, crude methods work. In fact they have a sort of “under the radar” advantage.
That’s why Iraq is crawling with suicide bombers while our fancy planes can do nothing about it.
What happened, happened. Time to move on and address the source of the problem–fundamentalism and its fuels. That involves dealing with a lot more people than a handful of us government officials, and is therefore going to be very complicated, and very hard.
Yes, they do. The difference is that ordinary claims, by virtue of being ordinary, already have a context of evidence surrounding them: if I claimed that dropping a ball off the roof would result in the ball’s landing on the ground, I don’t have to go into detail explaining theories about gravitational forces, etc. If I claimed the ball would go straight up instead, then I’d be required to lay out an entire set of theories to counterbalance the expected results. The nature of extraordinary claims is that they somehow contradict expectations – and so you have to set out a much more detailed argument for them.
Frankly, a handful of people pulling off a tragic terrorist act is much more believable to me than an incompetent administration coordinating something that’s far beyond their combined cognitive abilities. As for LIHOP, well… Not sure how one goes about investigating passivity, but I wouldn’t complain.
How is it that a bunch of idiots who can’t keep secret prisons secret could possibly keep secret their being behind the murder of 3000+ people? Particularly when that was just about the biggest news story in history.
Of course, I also actually saw the plane hit Tower Two in real life. Which tends to bias me a bit.
about 5:50 into this clip:
I am a die hard 911 truther of the MIHOP variety and no, I didn’t say Bush. There are plenty of completely competent “spook” type operatives out there.
I have though ceased talking about it amongst people I know will shut down their brains at the very mention of it. I have developed the talent to almost see this happening.
I don’t buy into the more bizzare stuff out there but gravity is still gravity. WTC 1,2 and Seven did come down really fast.
Aside from the event though if someone told me that in six years American society would mirror the society of Nazi Germany I would not have believed it.
I’ve watched days of stuff on this and I still don’t know. Assuming for a moment that something unimaginably wicked had indeed taken place with the tacit approval or even participation of members of the government. There is no way in a trillion years that such information would ever be shared with the general public when it became known. It would endanger the comfortable and reinforced foundations of “our” society. It’s danger lies in it’s broad yet deep technicality. There are few people on the planet with the ability to understand or make decisions on such issues. People like Ted Stevens you know? There are answers, but they’ll be encoded six times before being translated into Mandarin by an Ape and cut into 1cm squares placed in 10 bags among 1000 bags full of crap and the codebook lies at the bottom of an ice cream vendors cart at a racecourse far away.
Deathbed confessions are pretty good though aren’t they? There hasn’t been a good one in a couple of centuries – so we’re due.
I’ve watched days of stuff on this and I still don’t know. Assuming for a moment that something unimaginably wicked had indeed taken place with the tacit approval or even participation of members of the government. There is no way in a trillion years that such information would ever be shared with the general public when it became known. It would endanger the comfortable and reinforced foundations of “our” society. It’s danger lies in it’s broad yet deep technicality. There are few people on the planet with the ability to understand or make decisions on such issues. People like Ted Stevens you know? There are answers, but they’ll be encoded six times before being translated into Mandarin by an Ape and cut into 1cm squares placed in 10 bags among 1000 bags full of crap and the codebook lies at the bottom of an ice cream vendors cart at a racecourse far away.
Deathbed confessions are pretty good though aren’t they? There hasn’t been a good one in a couple of centuries – so we’re due.