Revisiting the Founders and Finding Myself

The recent essays about freedom, the use of police force (tasering) a student at a public speaking event, the failure of the Senate to restore habeas corpus, the continued use and sanction of torture, etc. led me to this morning’s thought process.

We have not only lost our way, but we’ve forgotten our common history.

Back to our future

and the writings and biographies of the founders.  I thought I had an average grip on US history and the way the Constitution works.  However, I didn’t, and I still don’t.

I started dabbling in history – read some of Thomas Paine’s works.  Saw John Adams’ personal library – did you know he was fluent in seven languages, and that he routinely wrote letters to Abigail so that they could use each other as debate opponents and strengthen their respective arguments?

Then I started in on Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin, the wily, crafty brilliant diplomat.

I have such a long way to go to be even just barely competent in my understanding.

We have lost the common language of the founders.  And with that loss, we have lost the art of civil discourse (I know – but I’m using it in the academic sense).

We are so far away from the original debates and calls for a form of equitable representation that I weep for the fiddling we do while Rome burns.(apropos of the film set that I’m working around today – the Pope’s bedroom – Ha!)

That’s why I am so desire a group blog which focuses on developing a second blogging generation of meaty issues. 

The idea

How about a series on the relative merits of Thomas Paine’s Common Sense?  What about a Jeffersonian model critique?

My fellow Americans (how long has it been since we’ve heard THAT phrase), we have to clean up our own house before we go out into the world.

This brings me to my community questions:


First question:

If we were to take a moment or three to revisit our history, what should we revisit?

Here are my beginning selections and a link to the National Archives:

The Continental Congress
The Declaration of Independence
The Articles of Confederation
The Constitution
The Bill of Rights
The Federalist Papers
The private and published papers of the founders
Works of Thomas Paine, Abigail Adams, Phyllis Wheatley
The biographies of the founders and Payne, A Adams and P Wheatley

Second question:

Is there any interest in forming an online discussion sub group where one or more DDharmas takes responsibility for guiding a discussion of a topic?

Third question:

Could Web 2.0 take this into the NextGen of blogging?  How?

Fourth question:

Would any of the Progressive Historians see this as a cross-blogging opportunity to lead as guides? (And are there any librarians who would consider a role in this endeavor?)

I think we must go back and look to our shared history, regardless of when we our ancestors or we physically arrived.  And this time, we should also include first peoples’ history (and I don’t know where or what the original source documents are and need help here) to guide our preferred future.

My fear is that people will see the word history and will flee from this essay.  My fondest wish is that this would get more interest and comments than Armando! (Saying this in a friendly, faux-competitive sense, Armando!).

We desperately need a shared reason to co-exist.   Let’s find it here and now.

Fingers crossed (making it even more difficult to type)

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  1. Come in, sit down, and  let’s talk.

  2. amongst some of the posters in this joint.

    i’ve more to learn than to offer on that topic.  but i think its an excellent idea for a series. 

  3. Steve Martin and John Cleese – and Andy Garcia just walked in and are making a ruckus in the reading room.

  4. a very creative and compelling idea. i’m with 73rd in viewing my capacity to contribute meaningfully as being quite limited. but if it would force me to hit the books and brush up, all the better.

    your core point / purpose here is way valid.

    there’s an explanation for what appears to be our country’s drift from its foundational principles, and our collective amnesia regarding those principles and how they were forged (often messily, and with contention along the way) probably forms a big chunk of that explanation.

  5. I think that’s what this blog is all about.  Finding our way back to the future.  I’m no historian either – but I would like to explore these topics.  I had the good fortune to live in Philadelphia for a year (2004). We lived right in the middle of the historic area, a few blocks from Independence Hall, so I felt very connected to the spirits of our founding fathers/mothers.  Ben Franklin and Betsy Ross are a few of my faves.

    O/T – I think I found the cause of the editing problem.  Can you try to edit and save this essay and let me know if it works?  Thanks. 

    • pico on September 20, 2007 at 19:07

    If so, I’d cross-post this; if not, I can drop a comment over there (Nonpartisan has an account here, but I haven’t seen him by lately).

    They had a series recently on forgotten founding fathers, which was nifty. 

    I would love, love, love to participate in this kind of discussion – like you, a lot of my knowledge of the founding fathers is still surface-level, so the opportunity to dive deep into the texts is a proposition I can’t refuse.

  6. One of my first diaries on dkos

    The Declaration of Independence

    The Constitution of the United States of America

    Restoring Our Constitution: Tyranny vs. Democracy

    Links in this diary to Jay Elias’s whole series on the Constitution.

    Restoring Our Constitution:

  7. Running the risk of  serially repeating myself both here and at DK I sometimes mention that I recently returned to the world of acadedemia to get my RN (now an LPN) and had to take American history covering up to the civil war. OH MY those founding fathers were brilliant, flawed but brilliant. I believe that we have forgotten (as a country) the danger they put themselves and families in to found our country and forgotten as has been pointed out here what they really said and did. This idea is great. I am not a historian but I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express so I can try to pass as a similiterate student of history. (G-d I can’t believe I even used that) It seems to me that we should study what our Founding Fathers, both remembered and forgotten (thanks mkfox over at DK),have said because our country  loves to toss out the phrase “Thats what our founding fathers said.” Especially in regards to seperation of church and state without really knowing if what we are sayoing is true. Sorry if I don’t quite make much sense but have a headache buut feel VERY passionate about being in a group that would go back to our countries roots!!

    • snud on September 20, 2007 at 20:19

    in Pig Latin.

    Have another etzel-pray, George?

    • snud on September 20, 2007 at 20:21

    It just says “Error”.

    This happened last week, so I bought a new  computer. I can’t afford this place!

  8. though my memory is not what it once was, history was a passion….

  9. Unitary Moonbat is a historian of excellence! Actually Armando’s a fountain of information on many of the documents you proposed. I too have taken up reading the founders. Thomas Paine  and the Federalists Papers so far. I would also recommend Democracy in America by de Tocqueville, so far it’s been an eye opener as he was dead on about a lot of our national characteristics. It was written later but as I move between the founders, and this book I find it’s a good historical and cultural bridge. 

  10. “The Idea” still doesn’t have a name.  Does it need one?

    Is there a way for the blog to “rope off” an area to highlight the discussions and keep them all in one spot, as the posts would be hosted by many people?

    Could we project plan by devoting a different essay to each part of the project, for example one for a list of works to be discussed, one for host duties and scheduling, and one for miscellaneous “stuff” that is involved with project management?

    I think I need some admin feedback now, as well as some historian guidance for next steps.  There are some essays already published by buhdy, the bloggers at Progressive Historians and by others which would make for excellent starting points, but I don’t know of the FAQ’s and ‘netiquette for their use – and I would definitely want the authors of those posts to be guiding those particular discussions or at least co-leading them.

    OK – that’s my post-caffeinated AM suggestion.

    Fellow sojourners, what say you?

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