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The Complicity Guy Has Spoken

by: Rusty1776

Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 23:06:40 PDT        
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(noon. - promoted by ek hornbeck)

executing jews Pictures, Images and PhotosThe Nuremberg Retributions were one of the lowest points in 20th century history.  The aftermath of the Second World War should have been a time for looking ahead, not for laying blame for the past. Unfortunately, too many people failed to understand that well-intentioned Germans accused of war crimes were just following orders and acting in good faith.  Those dedicated patriots in the Whermacht and hard working public servants in the SS were men of integrity, they didn't shirk their responsibility to keep the German homeland safe from Jewish, Polish, Russian, Rumanian, Yugoslavian, French, British, Danish, Bulgarian, Hungarian, American, Greek, Dutch, Norwegian, Canadian and Belgian fanatics, extremists, and non-combatants.

Unlike 50 million human beings, this Dedicated Defender of the Homeland Paradigm survived the Second World War.  With a vengeance.  It was alive and well in Bush and Cheney's White House, and it's alive and well in Obama's White House.  Take notes everyone, that patriotic act in the photo wasn't a war crime, it was just defending the homeland . . .

I've learned recently that the aftermath of the Second World War should have been a time for reflection, not retribution.  Everyone should have respected the strong views and emotions of Germans who defended their country through a war crime or two, just as much as they respected the strong views and emotions of the people whose loved ones were executed and dumped in a ditch, bombed, tortured, gassed, burned in ovens, and condemned as subhuman parasites unfit to exist.

But vengeance prevailed over common sense.  Retribution was insisted upon by persecutors waving the "rule of law" in everyone's face, they rambled on and on and on about "justice" but all they were really after was payback and revenge.  So many German children who loved their dedicated fathers had to watch with tears in their eyes while their fathers were slandered in the newspapers and demonized by finger pointing trial lawyers parading around for the newsreel cameras.        

 

Rusty1776 :: The Complicity Guy Has Spoken
The world had been through a dark and painful chapter in its history. But at a time of great challenges and disturbing disunity between those guilty of war crimes and their victims, people should have realized that nothing would be gained by spending time and energy laying blame for the past. Germans made some well-intentioned mistakes, like invading 28 countries, and Jews made some well-intentioned mistakes, like being born Jewish.    

It just goes to show that none of us is perfect, so why did so many people want to point fingers? Every single person who died in that war would have died at some point anyway, so why were so many people so outraged that well-intentioned Germans defending their homes and families efficiently bombed cities and torpedoed ships and organized camps so people could die together companionably instead of wasting away alone in some nursing home in 1983?

Was that so wrong?

A famous Jewish advocate of forgiveness and brotherhood once said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."  But did that lynch mob of activist judges at Nuremberg listen to him?  No.  They threw stones of retribution, they threw stones of vengeance, they stoned the daylights out of patriotic Germans who may have hazed a few prisoners now and then but who meant well, and showed no mercy to the dedicated public servants of Himmler and Eichmann, who were just obeying the orders they got and just passed them along to other dedicated public servants at Treblinka, Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen, and Dachau.      

Who would want to look back at that and reopen old wounds?  Who would want to look back and lay blame when it was so important to look ahead to genocide in the Sudan and genocide in Cambodia and genocide in Rwanda and wars of aggression in Korea and Vietnam and East Timor and the Middle East and the Balkans and Chechniya and Iraq?  

The self-righteous persecutors of Nuremberg, that's who.  They had this silly fucking idea that prosecuting and convicting powerful politicians and generals who launched wars of aggression and ordered torture had some sort of moral justification.  

They must have thought the world might finally change for the better if someone always stood up for justice, confronted powerful men with overwhelming evidence of their crimes, and sent them to prison. What a bunch of sanctimonious purists.  Thank God those naive jackasses aren't here today embarrassing everyone with their quaint HOPE that the world might CHANGE if leaders said YES WE CAN when justice cried out for the prosecution of powerful warmongering criminals and their torturers, spies, and Constitution burning hacks.          

Fortunately for current and future war criminals, President Obama is much more sophisticated than those Nuremberg dolts.  He realizes that the great and inspiring national greatness of great and national nations is embedded in their ability to ignore their core values when doing otherwise would get complicated, and to move forward with confidence in their limitless capacity for hypocrisy and moral cowardice.  

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So just chill out, everyone, especially you pot-smoking, petition-signing, far left, dirty fucking hippie bloggers.  As the Complicity Guy says, we must resist engaging in vengeance like those Nuremburg finger pointers did, we must overcome the forces that divide lawbreakers in the political, military, and intelligence establishments from the rest of us who respect the law, and instead come together and be grateful that we live in this Shining City on a Hill where no one is above the law except torturers, Wall Street bankers, war profiteers, NSA spies, and Republican politicians.  

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And the world looks just the same (4.00 / 24)
And history ain't changed,
The same banners will be flown in the next war.

There's nothing in the streets,
Looks any different to me,
Just the slogans were replaced, by-the-bye . . .



This may be the best diary (4.00 / 11)
I've ever seen on complicity=patriotism. Made me wince, weep, and whoop all in the space of 5 minutes.
Absolutely brilliant!

Recommended, should be required reading.


How can we look forward if the mountain of evidence grows so high we can't see past it?


[ Parent ]
I'm coherent every now and then. (4.00 / 10)
It takes some focus to be coherent while going ballistic, but we've had a lot of practice at it.

Thank you, Lisa.


[ Parent ]
This seems the perfect place (4.00 / 8)
for honing that particular skill set. You've got it down ;-)

How can we look forward if the mountain of evidence grows so high we can't see past it?

[ Parent ]
I just can't understand (4.00 / 16)
the people that don't want to prosecute.  I think they got ahold of some koolaide.  They don't make any sense at all.

I like the way you subtley pointed that out Rusty.  


Meet the new boss . . . (4.00 / 17)
Pentagon Pictures, Images and Photos

Same as the old boss.


[ Parent ]
they took the "other " pill and want to stay in the matrix....... (4.00 / 12)


[ Parent ]
Its so much easier there (4.00 / 8)
Everything seems so normal and good.

Just takes someone from the outside to see whats really going on.


[ Parent ]
Inspired, Rusty. (4.00 / 15)
Well done!

Just a minor footnote. (4.00 / 16)
Punishment, of course, never undoes the crime.

Nor does it measurably deter future crime.

And in an enlightened society, vengeance is never properly the basis for a criminal law.

So we come to realize that criminal law has no basis in reason.

Obama, a Harvard-trained lawyer, knows this full well.

He knows that punishing the torturers would accomplish no more than slaking the vengeance thirst of certain (understandably) upset Americans.

We elected Obama to be our leader.  He is leading us into the future and away from the past.

Bullshit.


blog love (4.00 / 14)
and more ponies for you, Rusty.

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No justice, no peace.


Striped ones! (4.00 / 11)
Thanks, Lady Libertine.

[ Parent ]
Valkyrie Pony (4.00 / 12)
Activate!



Anyone who fails to see the historical parallels between Blackwater & the Nazi SS, or the DHS & the Gestapo, needs a serious reality check.

Valkyrie ponies and caffeine (4.00 / 6)
A surefire combination guaranteed to produce epic charges through the wilderness.

[ Parent ]
And occasional very bad singing (4.00 / 2)
Don't drink and... horse. ;-7

Anyone who fails to see the historical parallels between Blackwater & the Nazi SS, or the DHS & the Gestapo, needs a serious reality check.

[ Parent ]
"disturbing disunity between those guilty of war crimes and their victims" (4.00 / 14)
So many illuminating turns of phrase.  Thanks.

Anyone with forty years worth of bodies buried in the back yard would be understandably resistant to letting someone dig up the recent ones buried in the front.

I've lost heart for this blogging thing.  It's starting to feel increasingly empty.  But I will recover.  I'm pushing myself to get something written today.

Thanks again, Rusty.

Founding documents not withstanding, a country is only as democratic as its citizenry demands.


We had the Commander Guy, and now we have the Complicity Guy (4.00 / 13)
We don't seem to be making a whole lot of progress, geomoo.

A new face in the White House, new slogans, a few rational policies here and there, but other than that it's the same old shit.  


[ Parent ]
I won't minimize the difference between (4.00 / 11)
a DOJ with some integrity, such as a valid equal protection office,
a labor department which actually stands for labor,
an energy department which understands energy,
and other crucially important differences.

But we agree that Obama cannot restore our republic without taking on the corrupt power structures in the defense and intelligence communities.  His self-serving and shallow rhetoric on war crimes is shameful.  Thanks for exposing it for what it is.

Founding documents not withstanding, a country is only as democratic as its citizenry demands.


[ Parent ]
a labor department which actually stands for labor (4.00 / 4)
While the banks and Haliburton clean out the vaults, Obama is loading up OIG and OMB to make sure some dumb unemployed slob doesn't get any job retraining he isn't entitled to.

Don't count on any of it.  


[ Parent ]
I knew this was going to happen......... (3.70 / 10)
it isn't the first time......

we have always done this........

this has always been a nation with two laws.........

one for itself and one for everyone else.......

one for the priveleged and one for everyone else.....

one for the rich and one for the poor.....

I will never vote again.......


Not voting isn't the answer. (4.00 / 6)
That's exactly what the establishment wants you to do: either vote for its approved candidates, or don't bother at all.  Instead of falling for this every time, start voting - consistently - for those candidates who actually represent you.  Forget about what political party they run on; look at their actual public records, and if they reflect your positions on the issues, represent your interests, then cast your ballot for them.



[ Parent ]
Well done, the asininity of which (4.00 / 11)
is duly noted, as I'm sure by others, as well!

Somehow, someway, we have to make these investigations and prosecutions occur, otherwise I can only see a downward spiral of this country and downward doesn't have much further to go.

Thanks, Rusty!

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Thanks for the bump, ek. (4.00 / 13)
The first photo is in a different spot than when I posted this, it's on top and aligned left now, and the caption is in the text, so I rephrased it to indicate the photo a little more clearly.

I want to thank ek too (4.00 / 14)
for standing up to the ratings abuser/bully at the orange last night.  

I was getting really pissed off as the good ratings on the comment were removed.

It was one of your old friends from there Rusty.  Hope you don't mind me thanking ek here.


[ Parent ]
I remember Elise would round up her Kos Kop posse and they'd (4.00 / 12)
ride around together to mass troll rate some of my comments.  

So I'd get like 17 TR's for rather harmless comments about the anti-Impeachment crowd, etc.

I'm not sure if you're referring to Elise, but the ratings abusers/bullies/Kos Kops all pull the same shit.

I will thank ek too.

Thanks ek.


[ Parent ]
me too... (4.00 / 10)
it's kind of symptomatic of your diary. The dirty hippies far lefties, assorted 'purists' and baad Democrats, are the problem, not the pols of mass deception be they donkeys or elephants.  

[ Parent ]
Exactolutely. (4.00 / 10)
If that's a word . . .

Exactly/absolutely.  All hail the political class!


[ Parent ]
Yup. That's what I meant. (4.00 / 8)


[ Parent ]
I KNEW I came to the right place! (4.00 / 9)
heh.

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No justice, no peace.


[ Parent ]
Has there been anything new yet (4.00 / 8)
on when Obama is planning to commute Lynndie Englands sentence and pardon her?  

[ Parent ]
That's way down on his list. (4.00 / 9)
He's going to the CIA to reassure the dedicated torturers there that there will be no prosecutions, and will be spending the summer at the Reagan Library learning up on how to become the New Gipper.  

[ Parent ]
Well today the meme is (4.00 / 8)
that its not waterboarding thats torture, its how many times you do it.  I really wonder what kind of reality the news channels live in.  This was on MSNBC.  Now its time for Obamas propaganda speech at the CIA.  Unreal!

[ Parent ]
And over yonder at the (4.00 / 9)
Orange, it's not the torture that's torture, it's having to endure reading all these diaries about it.

Thru the looking glass, darkly.

How can we look forward if the mountain of evidence grows so high we can't see past it?


[ Parent ]
Ahhhh, I get it, I think... (4.00 / 8)
So, old prosecutions for torture are fine. Ok, even. To be encouraged, as long as they are in that past?

But we've "moved forward" now and we don't torture anymore either now or in future (just ignore the screams for Gitmo, they all in your head) so if we did, which we don't, then we won't prosecute the nonexistent torture either now in future so that no one else can hear the screams either.

Never fuckin' happened. It wasn't me. I wasn't there. I didn't see a thing. I was on the other side of town. In a motel room. With his wife. I have a alibi. Let's all synchronize our stories. We must all hang together or we shall surely hang separately, or something.

Am I close?


[ Parent ]
Hey Catfish! (4.00 / 5)
Ummmm....

^^
OO

What have ever done to you? ;-)


[ Parent ]
You got (4.00 / 6)
Edgerized!  LOL


[ Parent ]
Heh! ;-) (4.00 / 5)
Aren't you supposed to be somewhere, Alma? ;-)

[ Parent ]
I really needed a laugh (4.00 / 6)
and that worked.  ;)

[ Parent ]
Ever heard of Karma? (4.00 / 6)
Don't laugh TOO hard... ;-)

[ Parent ]
At least here (4.00 / 5)
we know its usually a mistake.  Or a joke.  ;)

[ Parent ]
just testin' ;-) (4.00 / 6)
4:20 Day and all...

[ Parent ]
heh. (4.00 / 8)
No....Honest... I ran out of gas. I, I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts. IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD.

Jake "Blues"

How can we look forward if the mountain of evidence grows so high we can't see past it?


[ Parent ]
Oh fuck... (4.00 / 8)
Not the locusts. Again?

I didn't do it! I swear to gawd, It wasn't me!;-)


[ Parent ]
Look, locusts (4.00 / 6)
are not cool. At all, at all, at all.... Just ask B in a few weeks...

[ Parent ]
oh I get it......;-)....... (4.00 / 5)
hey locust need to eat tooooooooo

[ Parent ]
Quit bashing locusts. They have feelings too. (4.00 / 6)
Bashing Dkos is OK with me, but I draw the line at locusts.

I bet you can't name even one locust that ever TR'd anybody, or ever recced a Dana Houle diary.

Sure, there are a few bad locusts, but we shouldn't malign the character of all locusts just because a few get drunk now and then, buzz around, and attack crops and stuff.  


[ Parent ]
Well, locusts are insects, right? (4.00 / 3)
Maybe we can lock B in the oval office and slide a few under the door.

See how fast he changes his mind about prosecuting somebody then! ;-)


[ Parent ]
An enhanced lobbying technique like that just might work. (4.00 / 4)


[ Parent ]
We'd have to do it in the past (4.00 / 3)
to get away with it though and keep him on our side, wouldn't we? ;-)

I mean, I'd hate to turn him against us. He might prosecute us.

Ummmm.... well....

Never mind.


[ Parent ]
Hey, Alma (4.00 / 6)
I missed that one. Care to share a link?
Thanks, ek gets my support whenever and wherever.

How can we look forward if the mountain of evidence grows so high we can't see past it?

[ Parent ]
The comment and thread is in hidden now (4.00 / 7)
but the diary is here:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/...

It was the geek-whatever.

He didn't agree with the comment so he down rated it and made a comment about interesting to see who had uprated it.  Everyone but me took their rating off until ek came in.  Then a few did uprate it, but it ended up in hidden anyway.


[ Parent ]
I got TR'ed (4.00 / 7)
for quoting Chavez, who said Obama had a whiff of sulfur, by a rabid Obamafan.

[ Parent ]
It really reminded me (4.00 / 7)
of why I hardly ever comment or read comments over there.  I like it here much better.

[ Parent ]
That's a badge of honor (4.00 / 7)
these days. It means you made his comfort zone uncomfortable. Harshed his buzz, IOW.

[ Parent ]
I got TR'd (4.00 / 7)
for quoting Woody Guthrie a couple years ago, seemed some folks thought I was pushing God and Jesus or something. Funny, since I'm an atheist. So even Woody Guthrie is off limits over there, whoda thunk?

[ Parent ]
Well, it was obvious you were a Christianist/atheist/anarchist/radical (4.00 / 7)
Impeachment porn posting jerk determined to destroy the Democratic Party from within.

Way to make Dkos look bad, CatfishBlues.


[ Parent ]
Damn (4.00 / 7)
I didn't think anyone would know.... sharp bunch, they are!

[ Parent ]
well he is a well (4.00 / 1)
known socialist who was a dirty hippie to boot. LOL. My husbands mom rofde in an elevator with him back in the day and all she could say about this was how unkempt and dirty he was.  

[ Parent ]
Not fair Alma, (4.00 / 5)
If you are going to drop tidbits, please provide links. I get up at 4:30 am so I'm usually in bed when you guys go off to raise hell.      

[ Parent ]
Ha (4.00 / 6)
Well I don't have tu over there, so I couldn't go copy the comments, but there was a comment that suggested the Republicans might turn Obama turning the memos loose and not prosecuting as being less safe for our country.

Geekesque didn't like the comment, troll rated it and posted that it was interesting to see who all had tipped a comment endorsing Dick Cheneys method. (which of course it wasn't)  everyone else removed their recommend from the comment, but I don't let myself get pushed around by a bully.

EK showed up and commented the geek that he couldn't bury his guilt in troll rating.

Then the comment got enough hides to go to hidden where I couldn't see it anymore.


[ Parent ]
Great essay (4.00 / 7)
as usual. Sorry I missed it yesterday. Your writing is much appreciated.  

Thank you, Shaharazade. (4.00 / 5)


[ Parent ]
Makes you really wonder what law they teach at (4.00 / 7)
Harvard and how easy it must be to get a gig teaching Constitutional Law, 'cause it looks like President Obama was out sick the day they taught laws against torture nor does it look like he taught any in his class. What a fraud?

He must have been teaching the Republican version of Constitutional (4.00 / 9)
law, in which the Constitution and the rule of law clearly do not apply to Republicans.  They only answer to God and Wall Street, not necessarily in that order.

[ Parent ]
They don't even answer to God. (4.00 / 5)
Not in this life, anyway.



[ Parent ]
Rusty1776 (4.00 / 5)
Very well done.
In any language.

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