May 4, 2009 archive

Sometimes Children Dying is Worth It.

Not our children mind you.  The children in the countries who attacked us, and those in the countries that are trying to kill us.  Why not?  They killed 3000 of our people.  They are trying to develop weapons of mass destruction.  Fair is fair.  We can’t allow an attack on our homeland, killing 3000 people, to go unanswered.  Not only that, if we don’t take action now and show them we mean business, they might attack again.  We have no choice.  The very security of the citizens of the United States is at stake so we must do whatever is necessary to protect them.  

The people who attacked us are evil and developing weapons of mass destruction is evil.  We must fight them wherever they are, no matter what country of the world.  The very future of the world depends on our response and the need to eradicate terrorism and weapons of mass destruction in the hands of evil people.

War has costs.  We must keep in mind those costs, but realize those costs are nothing compared to what could happen if we don’t react.  Just as the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved thousands of American lives, we need to take whatever actions necessary to save more American lives.  That is the purpose of our military, save American lives and protect American interests.  That is the American way.  

Madeline Albright said it best in 1996 in her interview with Lesley Stahl of 60 Minutes.  

“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeline Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.”

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She did make a mea culpa to Amy Goodman of Democracy Now, stating she should not have made that statement, but the facts are there.

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Former SOS Albright isn’t the only politician or statesperson to make such a claim regarding the costs of war or political sanctions.  But her statement certainly makes her one of the poster childs.  Imagine thinking that over one half million dead children is worth the benefits we received from sanctioning Iraq.  Imagine what kind of person Madeline Albright must be.  Now imagine what Albright thinks, is normal for our politicians and diplomats.  I remember watching a video of Bill Richardson where he said the same thing as Albright.

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The utterly disgusting thing is she made these comments based on the sanctions on Iraq.  Sanctions!  The over 500,000 dead children occured because of sanctions.  Then the U.S. flat out invaded and occupied Iraq which has resulted in the deaths of over 1 million MORE Iraqis, and has completely devastated the environment and infrastructure.   If left to peace right now, it would take well over a generation to overcome the effects of the war and its destruction, including cancer causing and disease causing conditions.

But don’t kid yourself.  We’re Americans, we take care of our own.  If a half million  kids have to die half way around the world so we can be safe here at home, so be it.  No one said life is fair.  We’re talking about a third world country here anyway.

So when you see what comes out of this current AIPAC meeting regarding Iran, i.e., the sanctions, don’t fret about what the cost may be.  There may be some Iranian kids that die.  But Iran might be able to make a nuclear weapon.  That is unacceptable and if some children must die to keep it from happening, the world will be a better place.

Update:  There is no doubt that the U.S. is going to use further sanctions against Iran to try and prevent its development of a nuclear weapon, however realistic that is.  And there is not doubt that the country most interested in these sanctions, other than the U.S., is Israel (not that other countries don’t have similar interests). AIPAC is Israels most influential lobby group in the U.S.  The meeting this week will focus on sanctions on Iran.  My point is, we saw what sanctions did to Iraq and its children.  What will these sanctions, if enacted, do to the children of Iran?  This has no more to do with Israel and AIPAC than it does with the US Congress and Senate.

Crossposted at Daily Kos – http://www.dailykos.com/story/…    

More wankery from Krauthammer

There are plenty of GOP hacks out there, but, sometimes, one writes something so infuriating that you simply must respond.

Below the fold is my letter that replies to Krauthammer’s latest wankery, “Torture? No.  Except…”

Weekend News Digest

Weekend News Digest is an Open Thread

From Yahoo News Top Stories

1 Gates optimistic on 2010 U.S. defense budget success

Reuters

2 hrs 18 mins ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said in an interview aired on Sunday that he is optimistic his recommendations for overhauling defense spending can survive an upcoming budget fight in Congress.

Gates told CNN that he has been surprised by the limited scope of criticism aimed so far at his recommendations for the Pentagon budget for fiscal year 2010, which begins October 1, and had heard some “important voices raised in support.”

“I’m relatively optimistic, actually,” he said in the interview, which was taped last week. “I think we’ve presented, as one news magazine referred to it, a radically sane set of proposals. They don’t represent a cut, and where we have eliminated one program, you have added to others.”

Eden? Maybe. But Where’s the Apple Tree

NICHOLAS WADE

New York Times 5-3-09

More and more scientific evidence is surfacing which supports the theory that modern human life did originate in Africa.  

Locations for the Garden of Eden have been offered many times before, but seldom in the somewhat inhospitable borderland where Angola and Namibia meet.

A new genetic survey of people in Africa, the largest of its kind, suggests, however, that the region in southwest Africa seems, on the present evidence, to be the origin of modern humans. The authors have also identified some 14 ancestral populations.

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Cheney tried to revive torture after Hamdan decision

I’m cross-posting this from my diary over at DailyKos and my blog

In 2006, the Supreme Court ruled in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld that Bush’s military commissions violated the Geneva Conventions and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. As a result of that decision, the Bush administration asked Congress to pass legislation on military commissions. They passed the Military Commissions Act, which was struck down later.

From 2006-2008, Congress was giving the Bush administration nearly everything they wanted. They got their very own courts to try detainees and their very own spying program complete with immunity, even while the administration was suspected of holding detainees in secret CIA black sites.

Enter Dick Cheney.

Abu Ghraib Torturers Appeal ‘We Were Scapegoats For Bush’

Charles Graner the ‘ringleader’ of the abuse at Abu Ghraib is appealing his 10 year Leavenworth sentence and dishonorable discharge. Graner is this guy, pictured with the mother of his child Lynndie England.

The Times Online has this story

Prison guards jailed for abusing inmates at the Abu Ghraib jail in Iraq are planning to appeal against their convictions on the ground that recently released CIA torture memos prove that they were scapegoats for the Bush Administration.

The photographs of prisoner abuse at the Baghdad jail in 2004 sparked worldwide outrage but the previous administration, from President Bush down, blamed the incident on a few low-ranking “bad apples” who were acting on their own.

The decision by President Obama to release the memos showed that the harsh interrogation tactics were approved and authorised at the highest levels of the White House.

Europe’s First Police State

So I know you were just sitting around wondering, “What are the origins of the modern police state?,” and maybe, “Can an effort at genocide, if sustained long enough, actually work?,” or possibly, “What would happen if a bunch of religious zealots were in a position to exercise spiritual, temporal, political, and military authority over all they survey?”   Well, Pope Innocent III, the same guy who launched the Fourth Crusade, certainly asked himself these questions, and he sought to answer them through direct action.

So join me, if you will, in the Cave of the Moonbat, to get a glimpse of a nobly enlightened culture as it is extinguished by the hate-filled love of the Medieval Church.  We’ll also see the heretical Cathars subjected to travesties that only these people would not find barbaric…

CIA, FBI, DoD, DoJ, Army, Air Force: ‘Torture doesn’t work.’

I posted this over at DailyKos the other day and some people said posting it here would be a good idea. So here I am.

Here I’ve compiled a lengthy list on the ongoing discussion (read: illegal implementation and defense) of torture. I just think it is really interesting, in hindsight, to go re-read articles where various agencies commented on torture.

I’m not trying to prove a point that torture doesn’t work, so we shouldn’t use it. We should never use it even if it ‘works’ because it’s cruel, inhumane and un-American. There is no excuse to use torture and there never will be. I am writing this because I’m actually wondering, given all these comments about how it doesn’t work, why was it still used?

Honestly, it makes no sense. It hampered evidence gathering and trials of real terrorists and everything else, along with being completely immoral. I doubt we’ll ever get any answers but I figured I’d put it out there.

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