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(Bubbles) Greenspan: "Oops"

by: Jerome a Paris

Sun Sep 16, 2007 at 14:55:46 PDT        
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Greenspan alert on US house prices

US house prices are likely to fall significantly from their present levels, Alan Greenspan has told the Financial Times, admitting that there was a bubble in the US housing market.

Now he tells us! Now that, after encouraging the bubble, blowing it out of proportion, and claiming that it was not possible to tell if there was a bubble, said bubble is blowing in our faces as many observers have predicted for a number of years now, he claims that it was obvious all along.

What a lying piece of shit.

Exclusive to DD!

Jerome a Paris :: (Bubbles) Greenspan: "Oops"

In an interview ahead of the release on Monday of his widely-anticipated memoirs, the former chairman of the Federal Reserve said the decline in house prices "is going to be larger than most people expect".

That's only because most people chose to believe his lies over the warnings of those that said that incredibly cheap debt and the "Greenspan put" (the idea, turned reality in 1987, 1997, 1998, 2001, that the Fed would rescue the markets by lowering interest rates should any big crisis strike) were a recipe for worsening bubbles, and of those that suggested that maybe central banks should worry about asset price inflation (like European Central Bank chairman Jean-Claude Trichet, who was widely mocked then for his quaint ideas). I've been writing diaries for close to 3 years on that topic, and the existence of a bubble has been blindingly obvious to me all along.


He said the price of risk had fallen to unsustainably low levels beforehand, with investors addicted to asset-backed securities that offered some additional yield over Treasury bonds as if they were "cocaine". Mr Greenspan said this demand induced the big increase in the origination of subprime mortgages by mortgage brokers.

"Cocaine", heh? Strong words. Yeah, people started takng too much risk because they made no money whatsoever on normal transactions precisely because the Greenspan Fed kept rates low and brought the remuneration for safe assets incredibly low. Borrowing money was cheap, but investing it required taking increasing risks; but risky investing was done precisely because the money to do so was made available cheaply all along... Thus a bubble of over-investing, increasingly focused on silly (but initially profitable) investments.


Mr Greenspan said the off-balance sheet investment vehicles that issued much of the asset-backed commercial paper represented a "savings and loans disaster waiting to happen" because of the mismatch between their assets and liabilities.

Indeed. And he did what about it? Nothing? Yep. Can he be blamed for that? Yep.

Of course, we should note carefully what he says, because it is yet another indictment of the Bush administration, but we should never forget that he was completely part of their economic strategy, and never protested against it despite his wide powers to do so. He is indicting himself today. Bush cannot be blamed for it all. He was helped, by accomplices, sycophants and by those that could not be bothered. Whether they were clueless, or cowards, or profiteers who thought they could get away with it, they are responsible.

And "Bubbles" Greenspan is more responsible than most.

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Hi there! (4.00 / 33)
My first front page post on DD! Just for you guys.

Hi Jerome! (4.00 / 5)


pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will

[ Parent ]
Woops............ (4.00 / 2)
wanted to add, you might enjoy my latest, two posts down.

pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will

[ Parent ]
Thanks (4.00 / 8)
Indeed a very nice diary. Except that... providing context and perspective is so quaint and unnecessary these days, when lurid headlines are all that's needed.

[ Parent ]
Negro Tortures Dog (4.00 / 1)
would be the ticket. I do know these things, even if I don't do them.

pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will

[ Parent ]
I could never figure out (2.14 / 7)
your cachet. JaP writes a diary and and there's a tsunami of drool. too Pavlovian.

[ Parent ]
civility codes are not in effect here--I cite the big A (3.00 / 3)
you just did a cut and paste of the article on greenspan that everybloggy's doing. and now you're bohdissatva on a bicyle?

I know--it's wrong to piss off men.gotta be done sometimes. 


[ Parent ]
I think (4.00 / 3)
people were just pleased to see me, as a familiar face, posting something for the first time on the front page.

I don't think anybody has claimed that this was the greatest post in the history of the blogosphere.

There is a bit more material than in earlier diaries based on previews of his book, as he just gave a new interview acknowledging explicitly the bubble, which is new info. But feel free to criticize it on substance or in any other way you may want to, instead of criticising readers for in effect saying hello to someone they recognize.


[ Parent ]
it's that "familiar face" stuff (4.00 / 1)
that is the achilles heel of blogs. you should know. You got into MSOC idolatry with the rest of them. and then everyone dropped her like a hot tater when she went out of kosfashion.

I've been around for awhile. I observe things.


[ Parent ]
Meh (4.00 / 4)

  You got into MSOC idolatry with the rest of them. and then everyone dropped her

Interesting choice of subjects. I put MLW on my blogroll on dK when she was banned.


[ Parent ]
I observe things, too (0.00 / 0)
And I often forget to mention things.

I think it's admirable that My Left Wing is on your blogroll.

(I DID think you might go a little more MSOC on Bubbles when I started reading about his book quotes.)


[ Parent ]
LOL (4.00 / 1)
I don't do MSOC!

(yeah double entendre followed by a "who, me?" gallic shrug)


[ Parent ]
cachet (4.00 / 11)
there ya go.

It's a French thing. I only read his diaries so I can listen to his accent.

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
You, on the other hand ... (4.00 / 3)
... are pretty easy to figure out.

Giant chip on shoulder

Excessive self pity

Overload of jealousy

Malice (derived from said jealousy) masquerading as wit

Cynicism as boring defense mechanism

Embarrassing obsession with Armando

Tho you have your fans -- hope you enjoy 'em while they last.


[ Parent ]
meow!!! (4.00 / 2)


"The wave of the future is not the conquest of the world by a single dogmatic creed but the liberation of the diverse energies of free nations and free men" John F. Kennedy
 


[ Parent ]
:) (4.00 / 2)


"The wave of the future is not the conquest of the world by a single dogmatic creed but the liberation of the diverse energies of free nations and free men" John F. Kennedy
 


[ Parent ]
Now THAT's ... (4.00 / 2)
... original.

[ Parent ]
:) (4.00 / 1)


"The wave of the future is not the conquest of the world by a single dogmatic creed but the liberation of the diverse energies of free nations and free men" John F. Kennedy
 


[ Parent ]
susan something got your number at pff: (2.67 / 3)
" I saw the best minds of my generation (5.40 / 5)
destroyed by nightprowlkitty, dragging herself through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix
by Susan Something @ Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 09:53:52 AM PDT"

jealous of your fake Bessie Smith?

I'm slapping my knee half-way to patellar injury.


[ Parent ]
Oh yes. (4.00 / 1)
She is another great wit.

Your jealousy -- oh it's of pretty much everything, anyone who gets a chance to go on a vacation, has a little extra in the bank, a bit of approval, some love, whatever.  A sad and poverty-stricken way of thinking.

Carry on, Devore.  Folks will figure out your silly game sooner or later.  Most already have.

And then go back to the popcorn pit and kiss your fearless leader's ass like you always do.  Oh!  The humanity!


[ Parent ]
you have to admit (2.67 / 3)
she summed you up.

but I like that you've expanded from faux blues singer into psychoanalysis.



[ Parent ]
Ha. (4.00 / 2)
Don't take psychoanalysis to sum you up.  You are that obvious.

Unlike you, I feel no need to quote some disaffected blogger - who you no doubt will end up turning on one day if it suits your purposes - to sum you up.


[ Parent ]
then there is the other problem (4.00 / 6)
that we desperately - as an electorate - need to understand just what the "bubble" thing is all about.

With apologies to Jerome for putting it in my "cowgirl parlance" a bubble is an inflated market - where prices are higher than they should be.

The "bubble" thing - overinflated market prices - gives the US creditors (e.g. China) a place to "spend" all their US IOUS (treasury notes) as well as all the other greedy reptiles of our national kleptocracy.

A great deal of our national debt is paid out in Treasury IOUs.  The Treasury IOUs pay but little interest compared to other things.  In a "bubble" market they can swap out a T-note for something that pays red-hot interest rates, like the absurd levels of interest on those risky ARMs (mortgages). 

The point of this diary is that there has been "official" market manipulation, something which, among other things, keeps the US creditors satisfied in this suicide scheme known as the national debt.

Translation:  our gummnt kleptocracy is allowing Wall Street to feed our mortgage industry to the loan sharks.  Because it pays better interest rates (read: extortion) than the T-notes they accept in the name of our national debt.

Our health care market, our pension systems, our mortgage market, and so much more has been "bubbled" (inflated in value) to satisfy this informal appeasement to the creditors who make the US national debt possible, as well as the US kleptocracy and the greed fiends controlling Wall Street..

Pardon the so-light-you-could-smoke-it-in-a-pipe parlance, but I feel at least as strongly as the author of this diary that it is imperative that we, the electorate, start to understand this game that is like a fiscal leprosy devouring our nation.

My apologies to the diarist on behalf of this absurd and irrelevant distraction.  A fine diary here worthy of great respect.


[ Parent ]
stonemason... (4.00 / 2)
...thanks for staying on topic.

I feel at least as strongly as the author of this diary that it is imperative that we, the electorate, start to understand this game that is like a fiscal leprosy devouring our nation.

I'm afraid it's a little too late for most Americans. Lucky you -- you demoninate in Pesos.


[ Parent ]
you know (4.00 / 1)
I think in the future dharmanoids should chip in on a farm a little south of the border.  It's a thought.  I'm truly worried about what's going on up there and I'm no accountant but I don't see the fiscal situation working out.

[ Parent ]
bone joor, (0.00 / 0)
moan amee!

I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down'. Bob Newhart

[ Parent ]
Something ELSE Greenspan mentioned (4.00 / 7)
in his new book, according to the UK TimesOnline,

AMERICA's elder statesman of finance, Alan Greenspan, has shaken the White House by declaring that the prime motive for the war in Iraq was oil.

Sorry, haven't quite remembered how to make the link look pretty, but here it is:
http://www.timesonli...

What is Wikileaks?

You're kidding! Oil? (4.00 / 4)
And I have always thought, a proxy APEC vote.

pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will

[ Parent ]
I thought we went there for the waters (4.00 / 9)
I was misinformed!

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
I thought we went for flowers and candy... (4.00 / 6)
that the Iraqi's had for us...

stupid me...

"The wave of the future is not the conquest of the world by a single dogmatic creed but the liberation of the diverse energies of free nations and free men" John F. Kennedy
 


[ Parent ]
He did indeed (4.00 / 2)
but, contrary to many others, I don't find that to be such big news. It's the same as wrt bubbles, in that he is indeed now stating the obvious, but at least in that case he was not instrumental in making the relevant decisions.

He caused the bubbles he is now noticing. I cannot (that I know, anyway) blame him for the attack on Iraq...


[ Parent ]
Not news, per se (4.00 / 6)
but directly contrary to what wingnuts here STILL insist... that we went to Iraq to stop Saddam from using WMDs.

The fact that Greenspan, the ultimate economic insider, would admit this is what is "news".
I like to keep spreading the truth where I can.

What is Wikileaks?


[ Parent ]
Fair enough (4.00 / 4)
I forget that some people still get their news outside of the blogs...

[ Parent ]
Lol...fair enough.... (4.00 / 2)
the vast vast majority of 'mericans (so tempted to spell that 'merkins'...heh) do. (get their 'news' outside of blogs, I mean)

What is Wikileaks?

[ Parent ]
This comment (4.00 / 2)
just to close off the italics you seem to have inflicted on the rest of the thread... Does this work? No?

[ Parent ]
Greenie is simply doing the Republican Shuffle: (0.00 / 0)
1) Make pecuniary issue appear as a divine mandate to make a buck, example, invade Iraq to avenge for 9/11.

2) When divine mandate is shown to be flawed, deflect blame from self, take money, and deploy to nearest boardroom or university.


[ Parent ]
Sorry, I thought I had closed... (0.00 / 0)
perhaps a bug? I can not access the comment text box in which I made the above.

What is Wikileaks?

[ Parent ]
Hey Jerome (4.00 / 1)
Much the same as he did in the failure to control the run up in the Nasdaq. But people are much more dependent on the value and security of the value of their homes.  Rough waters ahead.

"The second teaching from the golden eternity is that there never was a first teaching from the golden eternity. So be sure."  Jack Kerouac



Well shit (4.00 / 13)
Now I REALLY feel guilty!

I was going to slink over to Eurotrib tomorrow (Got Ask A to do tonight) and post a Mea Culpa and belated announcement after TOTALLY insulting you by not remembering to post the REAL announcement there on launch day.

Now you have been gracious and noble and posted here with nary a word of rebuke.

I have but one course of action left. Firsy I deeply apologize.

Second....I advise everyone to take a few steps back.

Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
(pssst, if I survive, I will come over and post tomorrow!)


Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


LOL (4.00 / 7)
I was going to apologise myself for not being around so much. and *Magnifico*, who is kind enough to post the OND on ET whenever s/he prepapers it, has been informing us about DD...

But after skimming through the various 'civility' diaries, I think I need to re-post an old diary of mine about Armando...


[ Parent ]
Merci! (4.00 / 1)
I want to go back to the days of the personals of political destruction (or something like that.)

Yet another reason to lurk around here!

"It is only a blog." from the FAQ


[ Parent ]
Juuuuuuicy! (4.00 / 1)


Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
OMFG (ot) (4.00 / 2)
buhdy, you can't be a fan of those old samarai movies?
(Wolf with Child series was my favorite).

What is Wikileaks?

[ Parent ]
Just the mifune/kurosawa classics (4.00 / 3)
I have watched lots of the 'lesser' ones, but never got deeply into them.

But mifune/kurosawa were a BIG influence....til Bruce Lee came along!

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
works of art (4.00 / 2)
things of beauty

their like haven't been made again


[ Parent ]
Huge fan as well. (0.00 / 0)
I've seen Rashomon too many times to count, and I swear it's different every time I see it!

*rimshot

Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce


[ Parent ]
. (4.00 / 5)


"The second teaching from the golden eternity is that there never was a first teaching from the golden eternity. So be sure."  Jack Kerouac



[ Parent ]
that was one of my all time SNL FAVORITES!! (4.00 / 1)
It was great seeing it again..thanks

"The wave of the future is not the conquest of the world by a single dogmatic creed but the liberation of the diverse energies of free nations and free men" John F. Kennedy
 


[ Parent ]
Greenspan has been forever (4.00 / 8)
  .  O  o .  o
  0   .O  .o
< o  o . 0  O
  O o  O . .0
  O  .   0 .  . O
BLOWING BUBBLES  0

ME--->  ME2--->  WE R 2 CRITTERS!?.........:*

Admit it, you're just here so you can say (4.00 / 3)
What a lying piece of shit.

:-p


Heh, yeah...... (4.00 / 2)
now I don't feel so bad about my husband and I still renting our house. 
Will the market ever recover?

I feel that my father's advice, (4.00 / 6)
drummed in for years, is finally vindicated.

Never sell land, and always pay cash. Go hungry if you have to, but don't borrow.


pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will

[ Parent ]
Cash is the only way 2 go! (4.00 / 4)
We have no debt.  Period.  We pay cash for everything.
Our dads would probably get along pretty well!
My Dad: "If you can't pay for it, ya don't need it."

[ Parent ]
r i g h t . . . (4.00 / 1)
Cash is the only way 2 go!

Just make sure you hold that cash in Euros and not dollars.


[ Parent ]
Advice gleaned from the lessons (4.00 / 9)
of the Depression. When there was little to no regulation of big business.

Relevant again now under Bush when there is little to no regulation of big business.

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
Yes exactly. (4.00 / 6)
How well they remembered. My mother too, who in  her childhood stole coal out of freight cars as her sisters stood watch.

pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will

[ Parent ]
If a depression falls (4.00 / 3)
in a new century and no one will call it that, does it make a difference?

Hell, yes! These things happen everytime the country elects a Republican!!! History, people, history! ...and civics!

I'm really happy to be alive, because I don't like the other options.  


[ Parent ]
"The Historians Are Coming" (4.00 / 6)
David Kurtz' Headline for this post at TPM: The Historians are Coming!, Quick Salvage Your Legacies said it all IMHO--The GOP'ers who played large parts in creating the current state of dysfunction in DC are now trying to rewrite history and do some face saving.  Some, like Greenspan deny any personal responsibility for the current disasters.  Others, like Pace, now will admit to some "errors in judgment, in hindsight"--as if blame shifting & admitting to errors in hindsignt ("no one could have predicted...") were sufficient to atone for the damage they've done.



yep! just like MacNamara, (4.00 / 3)
in another time, but unfortunately still in my lifetime! I'm sick of this shit! don't hold your breath for Rumsfeld's mea culpa, however.


I'm really happy to be alive, because I don't like the other options.  

[ Parent ]
Excuse me for breaking in...perhaps I am uncivil (4.00 / 1)
Hey how do you put an image in an essay so it shows up? What is the code here?
Thanks!

Spoon or no spoon, you still have to fight Agent Smith.

I'm lazy, so I've been (4.00 / 3)
going to DK and using their link button and then just pasting over here.
However, this might help!

[ Parent ]
cool (n/t) (0.00 / 0)


Spoon or no spoon, you still have to fight Agent Smith.

[ Parent ]
I thought that was his job... (0.00 / 0)
to be a lying piece of shit, that is.

He could also drone on for so long he'd put a meth-head to sleep.


"In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken


Now he tells us: (4.00 / 2)

http://www.ft.com/cm...

Greenspan alert on US house prices

US house prices are likely to fall significantly from their present levels, Alan Greenspan has told the Financial Times, admitting that there was a bubble in the US housing market.

In an interview ahead of the release on Monday of his widely-anticipated memoirs, the former chairman of the Federal Reserve said the decline in house prices "is going to be larger than most people expect".

But Mr Greenspan said that his successors at the Fed - who meet on Tuesday to set interest rates - would have to be careful not to ease rates too aggressively, because the risk of an "inflationary resurgence" was greater now than when he was Fed chief.

Mr Greenspan said he would expect "as a minimum, large single-digit" percentage declines in US house prices from peak to trough and added that he would not be surprised if the fall was "in double digits".


he should just shut up and go away (0.00 / 0)
What, he is too good to actually do the job? Now he wants to be out of the hotseat but kibbutz on the side? Egomaniac.

Spoon or no spoon, you still have to fight Agent Smith.

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