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by: winter rabbit

Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 14:22:58 PST        
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I got home from work, I have to go to job #2, and I don't have time to write anymore.

But goddamn it.

Just look here

Somebody do something with this, please.


http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.c...

2858: Sioux Scalp

Starts at: US $2,000.00 Place Absentee Bid >

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Estimate: US $5,000.00 - US $10,000.00

Lot number: 2858 (View all lots)  

Auction Date: Dec-02-07 09:00:00 PST    

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Auction Currency: US $ (U.S. dollar)

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Item location: Mesa, AZ

The picture wasn't showing anymore, and on the Anniversary of the Sand Creek Massacre.  

winter rabbit :: ****!!!!&^##!!!!!!!! (Update 2x, 3x)
[Update]

I just got back from my gig, and I had that picture in my head while I was playing and fighting back tears on the way home. Then, I get back and I see what all you have done. I am so full of gratitude for you all right now. I can't think and I need to go to bed, I've been fighting getting ill. I just wanted to say thankyou from my heart.

[Update #2]

eBay and Allard both dropped it.

I had to journal about it before work.. I am so grateful for everybody, I don't have the words. And the relief of having that barbaric display taken down is just coming over me, but it needs to be returned. That I'm sure of. So, I'll leave a note for someone over at Native American Netroots to see what needs to be done next.

[Update #3]

From a Mysace bulletin (private citizens info. has been taken out. News organization info. is left intact):

----------- Bulletin Message -----------------

Knowing the historical aspect that has happen to native people and the misconception of what "Scalping" mean is wrong... Scalping is what the Europeans' brought to kill Native people -- The policy by the U.S. Government was to "Scalp" Native for money as a form of genocide against native people... Yes... GENOCIDE!!!!  To decimate, destroy, demolish a group of people like they have done to other countries.... What is seen on Ebay is racist and wrong!!!!

Please write to Ebay and tell them if they would also sell "noose" because selling Scalps is just the same!!!!

-(name removed)




RE: Native scalp for bid again on Ebay


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----------------- Bulletin Message -----------------
From: SAVE THE SACRED SITES
Date: Nov 29, 2007 5:07 PM


I wanna puke and then kick ass.
(name removed)


Sioux Scalp on auction at EBAY
tamra@ndnnews.com


Hello everyone, I have received emails from various folks today about the sca...





Hello everyone,

I have received emails from various folks today about the scalp on auction at EBAY.
So, I wanted to post some info and provide a update about this issue for you all.

Asking EBAY to remove this item, is a good step, however it doesn't stop
Allard Auctions from selling it elsewhere. They can turn around and sell it
at one of the many auctions available throughout the country, there are
dozens of auction sites and different houses. If they sell it elsewhere,
then this scalp may never be returned to the proper place, back to the
Lakota people.

It is a violation of NAGPRA and federal offense to be in possession of human
remains of any kind.

Title 18, United States Code, Section 1170 - Illegal Trafficking in Native
American Human Remains and Cultural Items: Prohibits the sale of the human
remains or cultural artifacts of Native Americans without the right of
possession of those items in accordance with the Native American Graves
Protection and Repatriation Act.

I have alerted the proper agencies and people at NAGPRA of this item, they
are going to take immediate action and will be proceeding in confiscating
this item, from these )(*&^%$#@!, that have this on auction. The auction
ends on Dec 2nd, so they are going to need to move very quickly on this,
which they stated they will. From what I was told, this Allard Auctions has
already had previous violations for attempting to sell illegal items, such
as this scalp. So, this should be interesting to see what consequences that
they receive for another violation. There could be a substantial fine
involved. Personally I hope that they take away their auction license, ban
them from EBAYall together, throw their sorry butts in the pen and throw
away the key. Somehow stiffer penalties and prison sentencing needs to be
enacted, to stop these grave robbers and collectors,instead of a slap on the
hand. The lack of enforcement and resources in each state is part of the
challenge with this issue. Unless it gets reported by someone, they usually
don't get caught. I am sure glad that the person who did catch this, sent
out the plea request! This is a never endless battle.

The first step will be, to get this item authenticated, confirm it's what
they are saying it is. Then, once the scalp is confiscated from Allard,
NAGPRA will go thru the process of getting it repatriated back to the Tribe.
That of course can take some time, but at least it will happen eventually,
instead of it being sold to some other yahoo collector to put on display.

The other option would have been to contact these folks directly and attempt
to get them to donate the item back to the tribe, where it belongs. I
couldn't see that happening, from the looks of their auction site, they are
greedy people making a buck off of selling various artifacts. If they were
just a private person, this was a one time deal, then maybe we would have
had a chance at the other way. I remember a couple years ago, there was a
full set of remains of a young ndn girl on auction at EBAY. I don't
understand why EBAY can't monitor these people somehow.....sheesh.......they
need a serious policy revamping I would think!

I am suppose to follow up with them on Tuesday for a update what has been
done, if I don't hear from them prior to that.

Here is the direct link for the item on EBAY
http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320179572299#ebayphotohosting.
And the link to report this to EBAY
http://pages.ebay.com/help/contact_us/_base/index_4.html?tier0=report_listing.js&item=320179572299

Hope it helps.............I will do what I can with this one.

In peace & solidarity,
Tamra
www.NDNnews.com
www.protectsacredsites.org
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OMG! (4.00 / 17)
How barbaric!

I suggest e-mailing e-bay to try to get it removed. Does anyone familiar with them have an appropriate e-mail address? I'll go googling

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


I'm in lab and can't right now... (4.00 / 12)
...but you might want to do a screen capture.

When all is said and done, what really matters is whether or not you are happy.

[ Parent ]
I found where to report it, (4.00 / 13)
but I have to fucking join e-bay to do it, lol.

It looks like they have a policy against it, under artifacts

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
also (4.00 / 14)
probably in Human Remains....

eBay does not permit the sale of Native American skulls, bones or other Native American grave-related items, as the sale of such items may violate federal law

.and Offensive Material.

Sellers may not list items that promote or glorify hatred, violence, racial or religious intolerance, or items that promote organizations with such views.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/pol...

I can start the 'contact us' barrage.



It was YOU you dolt. - RiaD

After us the Salamanders - Karel Capek


[ Parent ]
Go for it! (4.00 / 14)
As I commented below, I have reported it....but it wouldn't hurt to raise a fuss!

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
I'm headed (4.00 / 13)
out the door for home and am terrible at internet searching. But if you find the e-bay address - I'd jump at the opportunity to send one and let them know what I think about this. There are times when "civility" is definitely NOT called for. And this is one of them! Don't they have some kind of policy for screening stuff that is advertised?

Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi

[ Parent ]
you have to registerand do it through their pages. (4.00 / 10)
I am loathe to do so, but will for this.

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
I'll do it when I get home (4.00 / 11)
Its probably best not to do something like this on a work computer. I want to be free to "express myself."

Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi

[ Parent ]
heh (4.00 / 10)
you don't even get to comment!

But I did file the report and it looks like they have a pretty good policy against it.

It wouldn't hurt if others did it though! At the bottom of the page rabbit linked to, press report....then prohibited item...then Artifact...then NA item.

Whew!

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
Done (4.00 / 11)


Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi

[ Parent ]
here's the webpage of the seller (4.00 / 11)

they have a 'contact'

http://www.allardauctions.com/

It was YOU you dolt. - RiaD

After us the Salamanders - Karel Capek


ooooh! (4.00 / 9)
Thanks, muhahahahaha!

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
I got to a "send email to seller" option... (4.00 / 8)
 ...which also allowed me to block my address from the allardauctions folks.  I asked how he/they/she, in good conscience, could sell human remains.  
I typed in <2858 Sioux Scalp> in search box at ebay, got to a page with an option to e-- to the seller.

If ever a species deserved to be replaced, we do!   Isaac Asimov

Ask them to take it down via this email address (4.00 / 6)
lasupport@ebay.com

If you are a member there should be a way for you to report it via their user tools.

Thanks for helping.

My views are not necessarily spelled correctly but should be taken to represent the views of the poor sap running this site even when it is obvious that we disagree.HowOd


Here's the email I just sent (4.00 / 6)
This auction makes me want to vomit. Please remove it. It is barbaric and an affront to my sense of decency.

http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.c...

this is the link to the live auctions. And indeed the address is: lasupport@ebay.com

My subject header was: somebody is selling human remains on live auctions.


By the way as of 9:30pm est (4.00 / 6)
nobody has bid on it. Sometimes I'm thankful for the little things.

My email (4.00 / 6)
To Whom It May Concern:

I wanted to call your attention to an item that is being auctioned on eBay. Given the bloody history of the colonization of America, I hardly think this is an appropriate item for auction. Indeed, I would liken this item to Nazi memorabilia, which I hope you would not permit to be auctioned at eBay. I would be very appreciative if this item were removed from auction.

Thank you for your consideration.

{name redacted}

This sentence no verb.


I've filed a report (4.00 / 5)
and emailed. I've not heard back as yet.

Just unbelievable.  


I also asked the PBWH Yahoo group (4.00 / 6)
to email them as well. That was a complete abomination and the sight of it is surely going to give me nightmares tonight.

Reported to eBay as well (4.00 / 8)
and e-mailed Steve Allard directly.  My e-mail also requested that he take immediate steps to repatriate the item to the relevant Lakota tribe for proper burial.

Sorry you had to see this, WR.  Some people are just abominations.

ProgressiveHistorians: History and Politics Of, By, and For the People


#^%^&%#$$@**()^%(#*&!!!! (4.00 / 6)


Fucking typo. I meant to say: *^%#^%^&%#$$@**()^%(#*&!!! (4.00 / 9)


[ Parent ]
had live chat (4.00 / 5)
with Loren D. who was appalled as well and reported it to the "Trust and Safety team" for removal and disciplinary action and also suggested I report it to their Indian Artifact division which I did.  I am so sorry things like this happen, winter rabbit. It is so wrong on so many levels.  

I'm really happy to be alive, because I don't like the other options.  

I also contacted seller (4.00 / 4)
and suggested he return the horrific item to it's people for proper burial.

Hope this helps... I am an ebay member, so I'll keep on it!

I'm really happy to be alive, because I don't like the other options.  


Winter Rabbit (4.00 / 3)
I linked this essay at both my blog & MLW.

My heart just bleeds.

Maybe we should try and do a fundraiser to buy it and return him to his people, for a respectful burial.

Thanks to everyone who provided linky information.

Much love,

Diane

Visit me @ The Wild Wild Left! Crossposting is good for us all!


Genocide this (4.00 / 5)
I am still seething from going into my husbands eBay account to report them for selling a Sioux Scalp.

It occurred to me, in part from Pyrrho's & my discussion on MLW BlogTalkRadiocast:

You know, those who discount the Native American Holocaust as not being on par with the Jewish one, should harken to this:  At least they aren't still selling your relatives FUCKING BODY PARTS on eBay. To no great public outcry.  Immoral fucktitude.

Can you imagine the outcry should it be body parts from the Jewish Holocaust being sold?  There would be an outcry. Dirty little Indians? Shrug. Silence. Fucking White People. (yeah I am white) Still.

Native Americans are still the most marginalized and still being abused people in history. They are still victims of a Genocide now. They just have lousy PR and a deaf audience.  They still have no power over their own fates.

Auctioning off a scalp.

Someone's relatives skin and hair.

For a decoration.  

Visit me @ The Wild Wild Left! Crossposting is good for us all!


[ Parent ]
I emailed Steve (4.00 / 4)
The above with more:

Dear "Sir" (and I use that term with reservation)

I cannot believe in 2007 you are selling body parts. Want to buy a petrified Holocaust victims hand? You are being complicit in an atrocity, that will end up in court.

Text from above**********

Have you no decency sir?  Perhaps a law suit will provide you a new sense of decency.



Visit me @ The Wild Wild Left! Crossposting is good for us all!


[ Parent ]
eBay dropped it!!! (4.00 / 5)
wooooot.

But still available from Allard Auctions

Email your objections to:

steve@allardauctions.com

You will get an "out of office" reply but the best way to make someone like this change their mind, is to make them fear repercussion.

Visit me @ The Wild Wild Left! Crossposting is good for us all!


Allard item seems to be gone (4.00 / 3)
:)

[ Parent ]
Yay! (4.00 / 4)
Thank you eBay for listening. We realize you cannot possibly monitor all auctions in real time but appreciate your swift response to our concerns.

Thanks Winter Rabbit for your continued diligence.



My views are not necessarily spelled correctly but should be taken to represent the views of the poor sap running this site even when it is obvious that we disagree.HowOd


Swift Success (4.00 / 3)
...on $$ for people's bones!

May we have swift success on regime change...

  IRAQ MORATORIUM  GENERAL STRIKE  IMPEACH

   

If ever a species deserved to be replaced, we do!   Isaac Asimov


I can't think (4.00 / 4)
is it really off Allard Auctions? Is that what it means? I know it's off eBay.

This is what it says:

Error Occurred While Processing Request

That means they took it off, right?

I can't think very clearly right now.


yup it's gone (4.00 / 2)
go to sleep

good job

My views are not necessarily spelled correctly but should be taken to represent the views of the poor sap running this site even when it is obvious that we disagree.HowOd


[ Parent ]
Next, can we get Geronimo's bones back? (4.00 / 2)
Skull and Bones at Yale has them. No, I am not kidding.  

I don't think they have them (4.00 / 3)
Read this essay I wrote on it

Anyway, good morning. Coffee time.


[ Parent ]
I wrote (4.00 / 1)
a letter to a friend, I hope you will read, WR.

Visit me @ The Wild Wild Left! Crossposting is good for us all!

[ Parent ]
I just sent you an email. (4.00 / 2)


[ Parent ]
You know, Olbermann could do THIS too! (4.00 / 1)


I emailed KO & MSNBC (4.00 / 2)
a while ago today:


eBay had Lakota Scalp auction

It has since been dropped, story here:

http://www.docudharma.com/show...

I ask, had someone been selling a human body part from Treblinka, would not the media pay attention?

Selling skin and hair for profit, from our own genocide at home?

Steve Allard:  Worst person in the World.

Hope you will speak about this,

Diane (redacted)

Proprietor of
http://wildwildleft.blogspot.com/

Administrator at
http://www.myleftwing.com/fron...

 

Visit me @ The Wild Wild Left! Crossposting is good for us all!

[ Parent ]
Sure as hell could, (4.00 / 1)
couldn't he?

Maybe repost the Olbermann diary with this update?

I wouldn't have time today to do more than a copy and paste and you'd have to take it from there. I've got to leave here in less than two hours and I've got a lot to do before that, but I'd have make the time for that. What do you think?


[ Parent ]
You know you could do it tomorrow (0.00 / 0)
I'm in the process of alerting Indian Country Today to this auction house as well as your diary telling us about it.

b


[ Parent ]
I just got it pretty much done (4.00 / 1)
so your call. I'll do it before leaving or in the morning.

I'm replacing the first photo with a picture of the scalp, and basically reposting the 4th update. Any suggestions, or do you think that'll be OK?


[ Parent ]
ALL AOK (0.00 / 0)
All your stuff is great.

[ Parent ]
I'll get home at about 10:30 (4.00 / 2)
late tonight?

[ Parent ]
Is it me (4.00 / 1)
or is that scalp nightmare-inducing to anyone else?

[ Parent ]
thanks for the update (4.00 / 3)
this was a good example of the interconnectivity of the blogosphere.  It was also one of our our first galvanizing events where we took action and utilized our resources.

Mark one up for the home team.
 

My views are not necessarily spelled correctly but should be taken to represent the views of the poor sap running this site even when it is obvious that we disagree.HowOd


[ Parent ]
By the Sword.... (4.00 / 1)
... these people should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Are they that evil, insane, or stupid?

I mean, would anyone dare to sell one of the lampshades that the Nazis made from Jewish skins? Or an African slave?

Damn them all.  


I can't remember the last time (4.00 / 1)
I have been so upset by something I read.

Thanks to all the doers out there!

****!!!!&^##!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It's going up tomorrow (4.00 / 2)
on NAN. I got home and have been working on it. Late night.

[ Parent ]
 

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