Holder Responds to the Citizens Petition

Keep it up! (4.00 / 26)

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Also at Dkos should you be inclined to head over and rec!

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!

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by: buhdydharma @ Sun Dec 21, 2008 at 15:55:19 PM CST

congrats (4.00 / 16)

to all.   encore!!!!!

No ponies, but
"Please pass the lotus flower..."  

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by: kj @ Sun Dec 21, 2008 at 16:04:06 PM CST

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Saw it in my e-mail inbox today. Congrats! (4.00 / 8)

Now for the follow-through. Do you think Arlen Specter will ask Holder about prosecuting Bush? ;-)

"Three things cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the Truth." Buddha

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by: RUKind @ Sun Dec 21, 2008 at 18:09:01 PM CST

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No (4.00 / 7)

he will ask him about the horrors of Clinton, the smarmy hypocritical bastard! (Specter that is!)

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!

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by: buhdydharma @ Sun Dec 21, 2008 at 18:22:26 PM CST

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good ol' Arlen...just about when (4.00 / 6)

you think he might, maybe, do something good for the country, he proves himself to be the same scumbag he was when I didn't vote for him in the 1970s b/c he was too sleazy.  I will say this for him: he can occasionally be shamed into doing the right thing...but it takes a lot of effort on the part of his constituency, most of whom are idiots.

Have I mentioned lately that I hate my home state?  I really really loathe PA.

One function of the income gap is that the people at the top of the heap have a hard time even seeing those at the bottom. They practically need a telescope.--Molly Ivins

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by: Youffraita @ Sun Dec 21, 2008 at 21:15:23 PM CST

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Arlen is a master of Senate-speak English (4.00 / 3)

He uses English words and the basic grammar but what comes out is stultifying gibberish. I remember him chairing some committee and listened to him make a non-sensical speech and sort of ask a question in a five minute sentence. Truly mind-numbing. How do these people - Bush, McCain, Palin, Specter, Blagojevich, and on and on ever get elected?

"Three things cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the Truth." Buddha

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by: RUKind @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 00:29:24 AM CST

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LOL! I dunno about (4.00 / 3)

the others, but I can tell ya why Specter keeps getting reelected:

(1) Pennsylvanians are stupid.  Especially the ones that keep breeding with their cousins.

(2) He runs the most scumbag, slimeball, nasty campaign ads I've ever seen in my life.  He makes NY elections look like they are being run by Miss Manners.  And he always has.  I was in college the first time I heard of ol' Arlen, so this was probably his first run at the U.S. senate, and he made me want to puke, his ads were so negative.

He has not improved since then.

One function of the income gap is that the people at the top of the heap have a hard time even seeing those at the bottom. They practically need a telescope.--Molly Ivins

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by: Youffraita @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 00:57:06 AM CST

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Don't get discouraged. (4.00 / 17)

It takes things time to find their audience.

This is good at least until inauguration, which is a month, and probably until he gets confirmed.

"I like irony except I find that if you just toss your clothes in the dryer for a few minutes you hardly ever have to use it."- ek hornbeck

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by: ek hornbeck @ Sun Dec 21, 2008 at 16:05:39 PM CST

Not discouraged at all! (4.00 / 16)

That is the first honest response I have ever gotten from a political figure, lol!

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!

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by: buhdydharma @ Sun Dec 21, 2008 at 16:08:34 PM CST

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Now that we know Holder knows and responds (4.00 / 18)

Lets crank up the volume and put some teeth into it!

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by: Edger @ Sun Dec 21, 2008 at 16:20:13 PM CST

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I'm exhausted, lol (4.00 / 15)

But I have always depended on the kindness of strange bloggers! The more you folks can do to push it the better!

Mail this out to every blog, news outlet, politician and blog you can think of!

E-mail me for the HTML version!

Docudharma and Democrats.com have teamed up to create, host, and distribute the following petition. The petition calls for Attorney General Designate Holder to, immediately upon being confirmed, appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate and prosecute any and all officials of the Bush Administration for Torture and War Crimes.

The petition:

   Dear Attorney General Designate Holder,

   We the undersigned citizens of the United States hereby formally petition you to appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate and prosecute any and all government officials who have participated in War Crimes.

   These crimes  are being euphemistically referred to as "abusive interrogation techniques" by such respected figures as Senator John McCain. These are euphemisms for torture. Torture is a War Crime. Waterboarding is a War Crime. The CIA has admitted waterboarding detainees. Recently, Vice President Cheney has brazenly admitted authorizing the program that lead to waterboarding, other forms of torture too numerous to list, and ultimately, the deaths by homicide of detainees.

   As Major General Antonio Taguba, the Army general who led the investigation into prisoner abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison has stated:

       "After years of disclosures by government investigations, media accounts and reports from human rights organizations, there is no longer any doubt as to whether the current administration has committed war crimes. The only question that remains to be answered is whether those who ordered the use of torture will be held to account."

   The Washington Post recently summarized the Senate Armed Services Committee Report on detainee treatment thusly:

       A bipartisan panel of senators has concluded that former defense secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and other top Bush administration officials bear direct responsibility for the harsh treatment of detainees at Guantanamo Bay, and that their decisions led to more serious abuses in Iraq and elsewhere.

   We the undersigned citizens demand a full and thorough investigation immediately upon your taking office. This investigation should be pursued no matter where it may lead and no matter what the political implications may be. To this end, we remind you that you work not on behalf of or for the President or the Congress, but for the People of the United States of America and for Justice itself.

   The United States is a representative democracy. The actions of our government officials are done in the name of its citizens. War Crimes have been committed in our name. Torture has been done in our name. The only way to clear our name of War Crimes is to repudiate them through the aggressive prosecution of each and every person involved to the full extent of the law through the appointment of a Special Prosecutor.

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We are urging everyone in the Blogosphere and beyond to get involved in this project...not just to sign the petition, but also to write diaries and blog posts in support of the effort. And also to display the linked badge (created by Edger) in your posts or on your sites. The easy to embed code for posting the badge can be found here.

If you wish to post this essay, or just the petition, on any site or your own blog, please mail us at admin@docudharma.com and we will send you the entire essay, complete with HTML code, to post wherever you wish. Please feel free to edit, within the parameters of keeping the original spirit and intent. We enthusiastically give full permission for such use!

Please feel free to contact us at admin@docudharma.com for more information or any technical assistance you may need.

And of course......Please go to Democrats.com and sign the petition!

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!

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by: buhdydharma @ Sun Dec 21, 2008 at 16:24:49 PM CST

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will do. is there a list of which sites have already been contacted? (4.00 / 6)

so we can avoid spending time on duplicates? i will also try to post some diaries on this issue at dk and dd between now and end of january.  

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by: Patriot Daily @ Sun Dec 21, 2008 at 20:49:27 PM CST

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Don't think we need to worry (4.00 / 6)

...about multiple submissions.  So go for it with the ones you know.

If ever a species deserved to be replaced, we do!   Isaac Asimov

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by: dharmasyd @ Sun Dec 21, 2008 at 21:01:42 PM CST

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Thanks, PD! (4.00 / 2)

:-)

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by: Edger @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 03:40:28 AM CST

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Oh Edger... (4.00 / 6)

You've done it again!  "His Masters' Voice!"  

If ever a species deserved to be replaced, we do!   Isaac Asimov

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by: dharmasyd @ Sun Dec 21, 2008 at 20:41:58 PM CST

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Hey! Huffington Post linked to my Holder essay... (4.00 / 17)

They've set up a dedicated page for Holder News, and they linked to my essay "The Man: Attorney General-Designate Eric Holder Jr." at the bottom right of their page, under their heading "Links From Digg, Delicious, and Google Blogsearch"...

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by: Edger @ Sun Dec 21, 2008 at 16:42:17 PM CST

woohooo! (4.00 / 8)

:-)   you'alls cooking with gas, now!  or solar-powered somethin!

No ponies, but
"Please pass the lotus flower..."  

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by: kj @ Sun Dec 21, 2008 at 16:43:30 PM CST

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Are you saying (4.00 / 8)

that we're full of....

Never mind! ;-)

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by: Edger @ Sun Dec 21, 2008 at 16:45:10 PM CST

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me? hee (4.00 / 7)

never.  @;-)

No ponies, but
"Please pass the lotus flower..."  

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by: kj @ Sun Dec 21, 2008 at 16:48:45 PM CST

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OMG Edger, (4.00 / 8)

That is too kewl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Way to be on the story!!

Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi

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by: NLinStPaul @ Sun Dec 21, 2008 at 17:02:37 PM CST

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Sweet (4.00 / 5)

Holder's nomination is scaring the shit out of them. Totally. Elian Gonzalez? Marc Rich? What was his position on Terry Schiavo?

Reminds me, I need to get my annual septic system pumping done this week.

Happy Yule to Y'all!

"Three things cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the Truth." Buddha

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by: RUKind @ Sun Dec 21, 2008 at 21:06:05 PM CST

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Too, too, cool, Edger! (4.00 / 4)

   

Say "YES" to Generation We  Go there, read the Petition and sign, if you agree!   Say "YES" to GENERAL STRIKE

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by: tahoebasha3 @ Sun Dec 21, 2008 at 21:35:33 PM CST

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AWESOME!!! (4.00 / 3)

"We all live in a house on fire, no fire department to call; no way out, just the upstairs window to look out of while the fire burns the house down with us trapped, locked in it."  -Tennessee Williams

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by: sharon @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 01:33:07 AM CST

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Almost 1200 signatures now... (4.00 / 9)

It's working.

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by: Edger @ Sun Dec 21, 2008 at 18:13:39 PM CST

Correction... more than 1200 now (4.00 / 5)

About 30 or so in the past ten minutes.

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by: Edger @ Sun Dec 21, 2008 at 18:31:19 PM CST

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Now I wish I had personalized my sig (4.00 / 9)

with a comment. I hadn't realized it was cc'ed to Holder.  I was number 18.  

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by: Alma @ Sun Dec 21, 2008 at 19:39:50 PM CST

How can you tell what # you are? (4.00 / 5)

I signed right before work yesterday & didn't even think about it until after work, when I saw somebody mention that they were among the first 20-30 signatories.

One function of the income gap is that the people at the top of the heap have a hard time even seeing those at the bottom. They practically need a telescope.--Molly Ivins

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by: Youffraita @ Sun Dec 21, 2008 at 21:21:39 PM CST

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Look at the email (4.00 / 5)

You should have received an email confirmation from democrats.com after you submitted the petition form.  It tells you what number you were.

Every year is getting shorter, never seem to find the time. Plans that either come to naught or half a page of scribbled lines.  ~ Pink Floyd

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by: On The Bus @ Sun Dec 21, 2008 at 21:55:33 PM CST

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Oh! Thanks! (4.00 / 4)

I am notoriously lax about checking email unless I'm expecting something from someone I, y'know, actually want to hear from...like you & Ria.

One function of the income gap is that the people at the top of the heap have a hard time even seeing those at the bottom. They practically need a telescope.--Molly Ivins

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by: Youffraita @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 00:16:40 AM CST

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Maybe if... (4.00 / 5)

...I make a comment, this will go back to the top of the rec list and displace my maunderings, as it should.

I was thrilled to see this.  I am a stone coward and not now in a position to link real and blog world in any way directly addressable by a search engine, so I did not sign.  I was amazed to see it had gotten a response.

You all, completely rock.

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by: jessical @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 01:10:26 AM CST

Isn't that cute! (4.00 / 1)

I especially like how he pretends to really care.

I expect a full-throated outraged posting about this, when jack and/or shit happens in the Spring!


Chaotic Neutral, Drinker of Milkshakes

Pinche Tejano

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by: pinche tejano @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 12:41:35 PM CST