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Another Financial Storm May Be Brewing

by: Jay Elias

Mon Sep 15, 2008 at 04:13:18 PDT        
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(6 pm. - promoted by ek hornbeck)

Buried in the sound and fury of the current financial storm, including the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers, sale of Merrill Lynch to Bank of America, and the rumored imminent meltdown of insurance giant A.I.G. is something which I consider far more dangerous:

The alert have taken note that the failure of Washington Mutual, which looks increasingly likely, would consume the FDICs reserves and, as in the savings and loan crisis, force the agency to go hat in hand to Congress for more money.

But this is comparatively early in our burgeoning banking crisis for the bulwark of commercial banks to be tested. Worse, the concern is that uninsured depositors will flee weak banks, and in process, push more over the edge.

The scale of the problem?

Washington Mutual - the sixth largest bank in the US - has lost more than a third of its market value recently as investors fear it lacks liquidity and capital to survive the credit crisis...

The FDIC is respected for its operational effectiveness. But its $45bn deposit insurance fund is underfunded according to its own guidelines, at 1.01 per cent of insured deposits...

...analysts fear it may have to draw on its $70bn Treasury credit lines. Alan Avery, a partner at Arnold and Porter, said a single failure - if big enough - "would cause the FDIC to immediately draw on the Treasury credit".

Washington Mutual had $143bn in insured deposits on June 30 - about three times the size of the deposit insurance fund, but less than half of its $307bn assets.

Emphasis added.

Jay Elias :: Another Financial Storm May Be Brewing
Both articles go on to further explain the various systematic risks of a failure of WaMu.  But the highlighted passages are, in my opinion, more concerning.

The FDIC-insured deposits at WaMu (which, I will point out, include my checking account), are greater than the combined total of the FDIC's deposit insurance fund and their Treasury credit line.  By law, to obtain further funds to meet their deposit insurance obligations, the FDIC requires an act of Congress.

Which means delay.  In the case of a rapid meltdown at WaMu, some depositors may have reduced access to their funds, which is exactly what the FDIC is supposed to prevent.  Further, many business accounts at WaMu and other banks periodically have more than the insured $100,000 on deposit, in order to meet payroll obligations for example.  Those firms will need to either alter their deposit patterns or move their accounts to other banks in the next 48 hours to insure that they will not risk their deposits in case of failure.  Other depositors, concerned about the inability of the FDIC to immediately insure all deposits may withdraw funds in advance of the possibility.  As anyone who has seen It's A Wonderful Life knows, this is what is called a run on a bank.  

But the problem goes further: if WaMu does fail and require FDIC assistance, there will be no funds remaining in the deposit insurance fund.

Yves Smith wrote yesterday, "I guess it is now official. We no longer have functioning trading markets, at least in terms of serving their alleged purpose of giving companies access to capital."  I don't know quite what to say.  I am officially well out of my depth.

I am not predicting disaster.  Our financial system is designed to be able to absorb crises such as these.  But I do not believe, nor can I fathom, that any model exists to absorb cascading crises happening simultaneously throughout the financial sector.  That does not mean that apocalypse will ensue; rather that delays and failures due to delays will occur.  

I absolutely hesitate to give any advice, particularly financial advice.  That being said, I have a few basic pieces of advice which I don't feel are irresponsible to share.  What I  advise is that if you have more than $100,000 in any single FDIC-insured account, you remedy that as promptly as possible.  If you have a deposit account with a bank which is not FDIC-insured, close it immediately (this is always a good idea).  And if you have deposits with WaMu or other potentially threatened banks, it may be prudent to make sure you have enough cash or deposits in another bank to tide you over should there be a delay of several business days for the FDIC to restore your funds.  Don't panic.  Be cautious.

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Thank you for reading... (4.00 / 23)
...please, please, please understand that I am not a professional economist or financial adviser.  Please do not take any significant action based on my advice or analysis alone.  

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it." ~ H.L. Mencken

Thank you... (4.00 / 8)
...for your clear and reasonable reporting.

The fierce urgency of now.  Martin

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I hope it's as bad as you say. (0.00 / 0)
The sooner all the banks, investment and otherwise, are going down, the better.

Hank Paulson is doing a great job of furthering the collapse of capitalism.

And that's good news.

Disaster Capitalism?
Capitalism is a disaster.


[ Parent ]
You may not be a pro-eco (4.00 / 2)

But you have been able to illuminate an arcane system that I know primarily as a debit card and an occasional accounting. Nevertheless I understand the importance of foundations. And Capitalism's foundations are crumbling, in this country at any rate. The answer to the question of how many consumers there are in the rest of the world will determine if the coming meltdown is local or planetary.

Thanks for your diaries of the last couple days.

visualize: the act of the mind using spiritual energy to manifest in the physical realm  


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I just canned 4 quarts of tomatoes. (0.00 / 0)
I've really had to use some old time food processing habits this summer. The harvest has been so bountiful - won't all fit in my freezer.  Had to dig mason jars unused in more than 10 years out of my "root cellar"

With the financial crisis(es) rolling one after the other, it guess it's a good thing.


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If I had a 100,000 (3.77 / 13)
dollars in the bank....

Well. Never mind.  


Really. (4.00 / 10)
I don't think I've ever had $10K in the bank at one time.

When all is said and done, what really matters is whether or not you are happy.

[ Parent ]
It seems as if the best place (4.00 / 13)
to put that 100,000 dollars would be in the mattress at home.

My grandparents always kept cash reserves at home because they grew up in the Depression. I know a lot of their friends never got over their distrust of banks. Turns out the old folks were right.

Why do I feel like I need to learn how to sew and go visit Mom to recall how to do fruits/vegetables in mason jars ect?


Maybe because (4.00 / 7)
they are all skills that do not rely on your ability to consume and go shopping. Were all going to pay for this Ponzi scheme called 'free market'. To bad we turned our interests over to these bastards and bought into the greed is good mantra. Ownership my ass. Mason jars would have been a much better investment.  

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We JUST Put It Into the Home Itself (4.00 / 2)
Bought a sub-half-of-national-median-price rustbelt house for > 60% down, to get our money out of banks before the election.

We never expected things to go this sour before the election but we knew we dare not bet on waiting till next summer.

I'd rather lose half my money in the value of a house that will keep me dry, than lose it in equity I can't access of who-knows what value until who-knows-when.

The problem of course isn't "the" banks.

It's Republican banks.


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Might be the best move of your life. (0.00 / 0)


visualize: the act of the mind using spiritual energy to manifest in the physical realm  

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I just canned 4 quarts of tomatoes. (0.00 / 0)
I've really had to use some old-time food processing habits this summer.  The harvest has been so bountiful this year. And with the financial crisis(es), I guess it's a good thingit's a good thing.

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Thank you for keeping us up to date (4.00 / 5)
as concerns these financial developments and outcomes!

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Take heart (4.00 / 5)
while watching the market numbers scroll by on Bloomberg I noticed that the only two arrows pointing up were Coke and McDonald's. So if push comes to shove we can recycle Coke cans and use the money for 'Mickey Dee's'.
   

Eh... (4.00 / 2)
...not a big deal.  Less than 4.5% of the value of the index, and a lot of that in a late sell-off which may not be indicative of much.  A serious loss, but not something to get too concerned about.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it." ~ H.L. Mencken

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Well, I've seen it go down 300 points, but, now, 500 points? (4.00 / 2)
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Think of it like this... (4.00 / 3)
...the Black Monday crash in 1987 was comparable in total size, losing 508 points off the DJIA.  But in 1987, that represented 22.6% of the DJIA total value.  The same point drop today is 1/5 as big in terms of overall impact.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it." ~ H.L. Mencken

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O.K., that makes sense! (4.00 / 3)
Thank you!

I think it quite good that you present a "sane" view (at least as much as I can ascertain (LOL!)) of the situation -- keeping a level head is VERY IMPORTANT, IMHO!

I think people are already starting to panic, which, in the long run, will assure a total failure, again, IMHO.  On the other hand, people have a right to be frightened!

Today, I visited an accountant just to go over a few things.  He agreed with me -- that after people have worked their whole GD lives, it seems that they should not be further responsible for taxes, etc. after a certain age.  But, instead of any form of security for people as they retire, after having worked their butts off, they are still subject to taxes, and even penalties, usurping their abilities, after a life of hard work, to care for themselves adequately, or provide for any long-term care.  Everything, long-term care, Medicare, Medicaid, is all pre-calculated and bears "a death date" for each person.  I don't get to choose my own date, it's already been done!

Frankly, life in this country is a joke, except for the rich, who usually have gotten rich at the expense of the "poor" people.  

I offer all of this for the many, many honest Americans who ultimately find themselves in this pathetic position after a life of hard work and paying taxes.

Say "YES" to Generation We  Go there, read the Petition and sign, if you agree!   Say "YES" to GENERAL STRIKE


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WaMu and one hears rumors about Citigroup (4.00 / 1)


"The second teaching from the golden eternity is that there never was a first teaching from the golden eternity. So be sure."  Jack Kerouac



Do you have a source on Citi? (4.00 / 3)
That would be bigger than anything we've talked about so far.  Citi is the world's largest bank.  Prince bin Talal of Saudi Arabia owns over 4% of it.  It has $2.2 trillion in total assets.

I can see Citi having to sell some parts, but actually going insolvent?  

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it." ~ H.L. Mencken


[ Parent ]
So right you are, it is the (4.00 / 2)
nephew of King Abdullah who largely owns Citicorp -- for a long time now.  

The problem is, perhaps, that Bush, when he visited Saudi Arabia back in January, 2008, he begged for an "infusion" of monies into Citibank from King Abdullah. The terms of that infusion had a percentage rate of something like 9% or more.  Can't quite remember right now and would take a bit to sort out papers for the details -- but, I assure you, this did transpire.

So, I really don't worry so much for Citicorp, as I do our indebtedness to it!  

Say "YES" to Generation We  Go there, read the Petition and sign, if you agree!   Say "YES" to GENERAL STRIKE


[ Parent ]
I chatted with on of the economists... (4.00 / 4)
...in the next office to see what she thought.

Quote:  The markets will survive.

But she did say that there would be shake-outs removing some major players until someone starts regulating mortgages enough to give people what they bought.

When all is said and done, what really matters is whether or not you are happy.


on --> one (4.00 / 3)


When all is said and done, what really matters is whether or not you are happy.

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I agree that the markets will survive... (4.00 / 3)
...I have no idea what the second part means.

The problem, as I keep repeating, isn't the mortgages.  It is derivatives and leverage.  Mortgages are immaterial and irrelevant; they are only where the problems of the system first became apparent.  Saying that we ought to (or can) regulate mortgages to "give people what they bought" is no more realistic than it would have been to regulate the dot-com stock market to ensure that people got what they bought when they bought Pets.com stock.

There are, regarding the fate of the markets, two real questions.  The first is can we regulate derivatives properly?  That is a big question, but it doesn't really matter in the short term.  The second, and main issue, is can the deleveraging of the financial industry take place without creating chaos?  And no one knows, and the performance of the Fed and the Treasury has been poor in this regard, even with the caveat that they have only limited capabilities.  Financial firms hold trillions of dollars in assets at a ratio to their market capitalization of over 15 to 1 throughout the industry, and over 20 to 1 at most of the big firms.  That is simply not survivable in a panicked market.  Firms will either find a way to lower their leverage so they can survive until asset prices stabilize, or they will fail.

The problem that puts markets at risk is when firms who have a clearing business (such as Bear Stearns) fail.  Clearing brokers are required for other firms to make trades.  When a clearing broker goes down, all of their clients are unable to make trades, for as much as a month.  This is why Bear got bailed out and Lehman didn't; Lehman isn't a clearing broker.  And if a clearing broker does go into bankruptcy, that will put the viability of the markets at risk.  Can the Fed and the markets preserve the clearing brokers during deleveraging?  We're going to find out.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it." ~ H.L. Mencken


[ Parent ]
"It could have been worse, but..." (4.00 / 2)
... "1987-like crash cannot be ruled out"...

"...says Nouriel Roubini, economic professor at NYU's Stern School and chairman of RGE Monitor...But nothing has changed Roubini's baseline forecast for another 20% drop in the stock market. The economist, who has been eerily prescient in predicting the ongoing crisis, recommends investors avoid risky assets, including commodities as fears of a global slowdown take hold..."

FWIW.



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regulate derivatives properly? (4.00 / 2)
I think not.  Ever met Black-Scholes, the "equation" by which at least some derivatives are valued?  It's a fucking nightmare, even for those of us with a mathematical bent, and is, for all practical purposes, effectively an estimate based on estimates of estimates, which in my line of work we would call a SWAG.  Finance has finally achieved the status of a science, in that, like quantum mechanics, it posits the behavior of entities that you can't see, can barely describe even in the vaguest of terms, and that probably only account for a relatively minor portion of the overall mass of the financial universe, as it were.

I'm not saying we're fucked, because we're probably not.  But we don't know WHY not, and never will.  Roll the dice....or don't.  That's what the game is, except that, as a rule, said dice are loaded in favor of them as has, because they get the news first.

Geography is destiny:  which side of the Fan are YOU on?


[ Parent ]
Heh (4.00 / 1)
I've heard Myron Scholes try to explain the Black-Scholes formula, and I still don't entirely get it.

But I don't have to.  Black-Scholes deals with the price and value of a derivative; when I talk about regulating them properly, I'm talking about 1) requiring that they be properly capitalized, as opposed to leveraged infinitely, and 2) requiring that they be listed on firms' balance sheets.  Capital requirements and transparency would have prevented a lot of the trouble that we're currently in, whether or not the assets themselves had much value.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it." ~ H.L. Mencken


[ Parent ]
not arguing (0.00 / 0)
but if you don't know what something is worth, how do you establish an appropriate level of capitalization?  And what's the effect on the balance sheet of an asset (or liability) that can't be valued in terms of stuff you can drop on your foot?

The answer, of course, is that all accounting is arbitrary to one degree or another, anyhow, so what the hell:  given the eternal controversies concerning historical book value vs mark-to-market, not to mention all the shenanigans that go on with respect to mergers vs acquisitions, etc. ad nauseam, all of this comes down to "if anybody is screwed, we're all screwed".

Don't get me wrong, I love finance.  I just don't believe much of it.

Geography is destiny:  which side of the Fan are YOU on?


[ Parent ]
Somebody out there must know (4.00 / 3)
WAY more than I do about this: but I still have a credit union account.  I've been using my bank account solely because the bank is just a 7-minute walk from my apartment; the closest credit union branch is a bus ride away.

But as I understand it, credit unions, being nonprofits, cannot possibly be in the kind of trouble banks are.  And at my new (crappy) job, I at least have direct deposit, which my last job didn't offer.  (Those ATM fees are killers, though.)

Anybody else have any thoughts about this?

One function of the income gap is that the people at the top of the heap have a hard time even seeing those at the bottom. They practically need a telescope.--Molly Ivins


I know nothing about credit unions... (4.00 / 2)
...hopefully, someone else can help you.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it." ~ H.L. Mencken

[ Parent ]
I was wondering (4.00 / 2)
the same thing about credit unions. That's where I have my accounts.  

Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi

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A little info about CU's (4.00 / 3)
As a fellow CU member, one of the first things I checked was if the accounts were insured-- National Credit Union Administration (NCUA) Share Insurance:

"...The shares in your credit union are insured by the National Credit Union Share Insurance Fund (NCUSIF), an arm of NCUA.  Established by Congress in 1970 to insure member share accounts at federally insured credit unions, the NCUSIF is managed by NCUA under the direction of the three-person NCUA Board.  Your share insurance is similar to the deposit insurance protection offered by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC)..."

"...Credit unions that are insured by the NCUSIF must display in their offices the official NCUA insurance sign which appears on the cover of this brochure.  All federal credit unions must be insured by NCUA, and no credit union may terminate its federal insurance without first notifying its members...Not one penny of insured savings has ever been lost by a member of a federally insured credit union..."

As for credit union failures--yes, they can fail, though the NCUA states:

"...Credit union failures remain low and the Share Insurance Fund maintains a healthy equity level..."

More Info here:   Is your Credit Union Safe?



[ Parent ]
Thanks serendipity!!!!! (4.00 / 1)


Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi

[ Parent ]
You're welcome. Hope info helps. n/t (4.00 / 1)


[ Parent ]
Thanks, Jay /nt (4.00 / 3)


No ponies, but
"Please pass the lotus flower..."  


and what would be happening... (4.00 / 1)
to social security right now had Bush & McCain had their way with investing it?

"Speak your mind, even when your voice trembles."
-Maggie Kuhn


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