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"a whole nation called Iraq, now it's wiped out."

by: buhdydharma

Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 10:12:00 PDT        
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One of my worst sins in the Blogosphere is not reading Greenwald everyday. Today I went over to his place to atone...and found this. What can and cannot be spoken on television

Turkana mentioned the other day that we don't hear from people inside Iraq. In fact we hear very little from inside Iraq. Which is pretty amazing when you stop to think about it. It's not like we don't have the technology...and now that the surge is working (hahahahahahaha-sob) reporters should be able to travel freely and report on conditions there and the mood of the people...and maybe even the people who are sort of miffed that their country has been destroyed for no reason, right?

Here is the clip on his page, please watch and read...and Greenwald has posted more of the transcript here.

buhdydharma :: "a whole nation called Iraq, now it's wiped out."
    ROSE: And obviously, what we want to accomplish on this fifth anniversary of the American invasion, or the coalition invasion of Iraq, is how they see it as Iraqis, five years later.

   Give me an assessment.

   ALI FADHIL: That's a big question, assessment. Well, basically, probably, I`ll kind of sum it in a few words.

   It's -- we have a country where the government is not functioning after five years. We have too many internal problems. And we have the violence increasing day after day.

   We have a huge crisis of refugees inside and outside Iraq. We have a total failure of the -- of the civilian -- the civilian structure and what's happening inside. We have the sectarian divisions increasing. We didn't have that before. Now we have it.

   So, basically, my assessment is we have a whole nation called Iraq, now it's wiped out.

   CHARLIE ROSE: And Iraq is worse off because the United States came?

   ALI FADHIL: It's worse off because the United States came to Iraq, definitely, and because the United States did all these mistakes in Iraq.

And:

   CHARLIE ROSE: So where do we go from here? Five years after the invasion of Iraq, what is a wise American policy?

   ALI FADHIL: Let me start with telling you what is happening right now, what is the American policy right now in Iraq.

   It's so shame to say that America is in Iraq right now, and particularly the State Department and also the Pentagon as well, the U.S. Army in Iraq. They're going back to Saddam's policies in everything. . . . If you, you know, name it, name the most successful project of the surge -- outcome of the surge, the (INAUDIBLE) councils. You know, these insurgents, the Sunnis, even Shiites.

   CHARLIE ROSE: The so-called awakening.

   ALI FADHIL: Awakening council, exactly. They're giving them money to protect their own neighborhoods. Isn't that the same what happened under Saddam? . . .

   Anything [Americans] do -- probably even in good intentions -- is bad for us, everything they do, everything. There's nothing they're doing is right.

   And that's what is going to happen. It's just prolonging the diaspora of the Iraqis. We're suffering more and more every day. We need, you know, to start the salvation (ph). . .

   SINAN ANTOON: The president today said something really obscene to my mind. He said Iraq is witnessing the first Arab uprising against al Qaeda.

   We did not have al Qaeda in Iraq before.We had a ruthless dictatorship.

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Destroying a sovereign nation, all for just money (4.00 / 16)
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Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


Yabbut.... (4.00 / 7)











"Things are looking better in Iraaaaaaaq. The surge is woooorrrrking..."

What are you?

Some kind of hippie terrist lovin' librul traitor or somethin?


[ Parent ]
Oooh, Hippie Terrists! (4.00 / 9)
what a concept!

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
Unless you are a plate of organic brownies (4.00 / 6)


Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
that would be hippie subversives..... (4.00 / 5)
a nuance......

yet the distinction is meaningful......

subvert the paradigm......


[ Parent ]
You don't need (4.00 / 6)
Weathermen to know which way the wind blows........

John Jacobs (center) and Terry Robbins (with sunglasses) at the Days of Rage, Chicago, October 1969.
John Jacobs (center) and Terry Robbins (with sunglasses) at the Days of Rage, Chicago, October 1969.


[ Parent ]
there's a hard rain gonna fall....... (4.00 / 6)


[ Parent ]
Well... maybe it'll wake a few people up? (4.00 / 7)


[ Parent ]
Edger.... (4.00 / 4)
I have missed you. How are ya?

[ Parent ]
Thanks, UCC! I'm pretty good, actually. (4.00 / 4)
I could do with being about thirty years younger, but I'm pretty good, you know? :-)

[ Parent ]
Not me.... 14.... (4.00 / 4)
seriously sucked!

[ Parent ]
You forgot (4.00 / 4)
the obligatory prefix of "DF."

The other half of rights is responsibility. -- Winona LaDuke

[ Parent ]
what a truly ugly person she is n/t (4.00 / 3)


[ Parent ]
What drives me crazy ... (4.00 / 7)
... is when I read that we "bombed suspected Al Quaeda outposts" ... we dropped bombs and we don't even know what or who we dropped the bombs upon ... other than, of course, the many civilians caught in this bombing.

Our military is systematically killing folks and the lamestream media just keeps calling all of them "terrorists" or "insurgents" (yeah, folks who may  not wish to be killed all the time).

I guess we'll start doing that in the US soon, too, as it's such a great plan.  Whenever someone commits a crime we should just bomb the whole neighborhood.

It is obscene.


If McCain wins (4.00 / 6)
he probably has a whole list of countries we can ruin.

If he wins we really will be the assholes of the world. We won't have much competition for the title.


China is trying, lol (4.00 / 5)
But they don't seem to have the taste for raw destruction on a massive scale that "we" do.

So yeah, if McCain wins we get to be the worst country in the world...again/still.

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
for a little while longer...... (4.00 / 3)
the lines are being drawn for the conflict which will select our successor......

[ Parent ]
The Cold War bankrupted the USSR (4.00 / 5)
The GWOT is going to bankrupt the USA.

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
china knows a little secret that the american public does not..... (4.00 / 6)
the last of the strategic resources to fuel the final doubling are in their sphere of influence.....

not ours.....

in two decades she will be the largest economy in the world....

and she will have developed the technology by lauching her space program a decade ago......

she will be the dominant influence with regard to the flow of the remaing gas and oil from eurasia.......

and without satelites we can not do shit except nuke em......

bad bluff......

unless you are a lunatic in office.....

which seems to be a pattern developing here.....

either way we lose.......


[ Parent ]
Lots of jockeying going on (4.00 / 7)
There are rumors that the CIA is behind Tibet now.

To be cute, the whole Caspian area is quiet.....TOO quiet. There is a behind the scenes battle going o over the 'Stans as we speak, methinks.

Ad yes...."our boys" are just stupid enough to try to play Global Thermo-Nuclear War with them out of desperation. The fact that they can call in their mortgage on our debt pretty much whenever they want doesn't help either.

We're playing Checkers and they are playing Go.

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
excellent analogy........ (4.00 / 3)
sometimes we are decieved by the outcomes of preemption.....

after all the person that wins is the person the moves last.....

also a way to win is to force your opponent to move before they are ready and when they are over extended elsewhere....

it is called collapsing the focus......


[ Parent ]
China passed that mark one month ago (4.00 / 5)
as the largest economy in the world

I can not remember where I read it though
will have to google!!!  

ME--->  ME2--->  WE R 2 CRITTERS!?.........:*


[ Parent ]
china is the second largest.... (4.00 / 1)
set to be #1 in the 2020's.....

they are the biggest carbon emmitter tho......


[ Parent ]
I heard (4.00 / 5)
Juan Cole say that the actual numbers of Al Qaeda in Iraq was about 1000. Al Qaeda has come to mean anyone who fights against US domination. It's a knee jerk fear phrase that they trot out to get people to think they are 'protecting' us and the people they want to kill, the Iraqis.  

Actually, "al Qaeda in Iraq" (4.00 / 2)
is the name of a specific group, one of many, and not a very popular one... that's what Cole was about...

"Mientras el trabajo sea una comodidad, un mecanismo de extracción de plusvalía y un arma de alienación, el sistema y sus miserias sobrevivirán."  -Peter McLaren

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next on the list, of course, (4.00 / 6)
Iran. Anything to pursue oil, gas, and shiny objects that make money for rich people.  

Unless they want Syria as an appetizer. (4.00 / 4)


Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
can you spell quicksand....... (4.00 / 4)
pakistan.......

[ Parent ]
Ah yes (4.00 / 3)
The world is PNAC's Poo Poo Platter now that they have succeeded in their plans for destabilization.


Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
we are only partialy determinative in any set of events..... (4.00 / 3)
irregardless of the political psychosis of the oligarch......

and certian knots in the dynamic of events are more determinative for us than we are towards them.....

we are driven by them.....

and because of the real presence of nukes and the means to deliver them they will drive us......

we will try to control them and become brittle....

and then they will drag us in......

and then when we are over extended....

the other players will emerge....


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"Wiped out" is right, Buhdy! (4.00 / 6)
After a conversation Edger and I had the other night about mercury and depleted uranium, I stumbled upon this vid.  It's graphic and horrible, but it's what we are doing to this country, and it will continue to destroy this country and its' people for billions of years.

Warning:  Graphic!




Depleted Uranium: (4.00 / 4)
The Poisoning Of Iraqis and Americans

Epidemiologist Rosalie Bertell (PhD, biometrics)explains the effects of the weaponized DU on the people of Iraq and the planet.

Depleted Uranium Hazard Awareness - US Army Training Video

Depleted Uranium Radioactive Contamination In Iraq: An Overview
by Prof Souad N. Al-Azzawi, Global Research, August 31, 2006

Depleted Uranium (DU) weaponry has been used against Iraq for the first time in the history of recent wars. The magnitude of the complications and damage related to the use of such radioactive and toxic weapons on the environment and the human population mostly results from the intended concealment, denial and misleading information released by the Pentagon about the quantities, characteristics and the area's in Iraq, in which these weapons have been used.

Revelation of information regarding what is called the Gulf War Syndrome among exposed American veterans helped Iraqi researchers and Medical Doctors to understand the nature of the effect of these weapons, and the means required to investigate further into this issue.

The synergetic impact on health due to the post Gulf War I economical sanctions and DU related radioactive contamination raised the number of casualties in contaminated areas as in southern Iraq.

Continual usage of DU after Gulf War I on other Iraqi territories through the illegal No-Fly Zones and the major DU loaded Cruise Missiles attack of year 1998, all contributed in making the problem increasingly complex.

During 2003, military operations conducted in Iraq by the invading forces used additional rounds of DU in heavily populated areas such as Baghdad, Samawa and other provinces. It is only fair to conclude that the environment in Iraq and its population have been exposed continuously to DU weaponry or its contaminating remains, since 1991.

Accordingly millions of Iraqi's have received higher doses of radioactivity than ordinary background levels. As a result a multi-fold increase of low level radiation exposure related diseases have been registered since 1995. An increase of children's leukemia, congenital malformations, breast cancer etc...

The shift of leukemia incidence rates towards younger children during the recent years, and its association with geographically distributed contaminated areas, offers strong evidence of the correlation between LLR exposure and resulted health damages.

Through this paper, an overview of major scientific DU conclusions will be presented, drawn from investigations and research conducted since the year 1991 by Iraqi researchers and MDs. Schemes of these researches can be classified into three categories:

  1. DU contamination detection and exploration programs.
  2. DU effects on human body cells.
  3. DU related epidemiological studies.

MORE.....




[ Parent ]
Leuren Moret, geoscientist, calls DU an Omnicidal Weapon... (4.00 / 3)
Leuren Moret worked as a geoscientist at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories, became a whistle blower about radioactive leaks into the soil and groundwater around the lab, and went on to spend the last 15 years researching DU.  

She calls DU an Omnicidal Weapon because the nano-sized DU aerosols are carried around the globe on the jet stream, reaching all of us, with a half life of 5&1/2 billion years.  

I'm not a scientist, maybe some of it just evaporates, but it doesn't sound good to me.

The fierce urgency of now.  Martin


[ Parent ]
OOPS! Leuren Moret is (4.00 / 3)
the woman in the You-Tube vid in KrisC's comment.

The fierce urgency of now.  Martin

[ Parent ]
I was wondering about that. (4.00 / 2)
the nano-sized DU aerosols are carried around the globe on the jet stream, reaching all of us

I had read that somewhere, couldn't find where I found that info the last time...so I'm glad you mentioned this.
How atrocious the crimes of this administration have been and now, DU will contribute greatly to the death of this planet and her peoples.  It is sickening-literally!

Thanks syd for reminding me that it is not just Iraq's problem but a global problem.


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Fighting spreads across Iraq as American aircraft struck militia targets in Basra on Friday (4.00 / 2)
Via truthout:

Baghdad - American aircraft struck militia targets in Basra on Friday, the first time that airpower has been called in to aid a faltering ground offensive there against armed groups that operate outside government control.

   The U.S. military reported killing 78 "bad guys" in Baghdad in the past three days; American forces backed by combat helicopters continued Friday to battle members of the Mahdi Army, a militia loyal to Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, in Baghdad, while Iraqi forces took them on in the south.

   Militiamen fired rockets and mortar shells three times Friday at the fortified Green Zone, the location of the U.S. Embassy and Iraqi government offices. Mortar shells hit the offices of Vice President Tariq al-Hashimi, killing two guards and wounding four others, officials reported.

   Green Zone attacks this week have killed two Americans; embassy personnel are sleeping in the thick-walled former palace of Saddam Hussein for protection.

   Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki launched the offensive with his troops in Basra on Monday. He has said the goal is to oust dueling Shiite militias and criminal gangs that controlled the city. But Sadr's followers call the offensive a politically motivated attempt to dismantle the Mahdi Army and thwart Sadr's influence in the country ahead of provincial elections this year.

   U.S. officials say Maliki launched the push without consulting them. With the Mahdi Army fighters putting up stiff resistance, American forces have been drawn deeper into the conflict to support their Iraqi allies, in some places taking the lead.

   The U.S. warplanes that struck in Basra fired cannons in two overnight strafing runs, killing three militia fighters, the British military reported. The targets were a militia mortar team and a militia stronghold, said Maj. Tom Holloway, a British military spokesman.

   Government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said the Iraqi government has been satisfied with the help it has been given. "At this moment, we feel that Iraqi security forces are doing well," he said.

   A source in the police command in Basra said he expected British and U.S. ground units to join the fight in coming days.

   Shiite fighters gave similar predictions. "Up to now, neither the Americans or Brits have staged any offensive against us in Basra, but it would happen very soon," said Abu Sadiq, a Mahdi Army commander who said he leads 30 fighters. "We are still fighting the Iraqi forces, and even if the occupiers start their offensive we are totally ready for them."

   A senior Iraqi military adviser has said the crackdown is taking longer than expected, partly because militia fighters have superior weapons.



Counterpunch today -- (4.00 / 5)
was linking this video; I just don't have the stomach for this kind of stuff...

"Mientras el trabajo sea una comodidad, un mecanismo de extracción de plusvalía y un arma de alienación, el sistema y sus miserias sobrevivirán."  -Peter McLaren

Thanks for this, bd. (4.00 / 2)
Sinan Antoon teaches at NYU, and I was fortunate to have him as one of the speakers for an Iraq War Moratorium event I organized last fall. An extraordinary poet, writer, speaker, teacher.  

Seul l’incrédule a droit au miracle. - Elias Canetti

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