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House Democrats appear ready to capitulate on Iraq. Again.

by: Turkana

Fri Dec 07, 2007 at 23:07:32 PST        
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Once again, House Democrats appear ready to punt.

According to the Washington Post:

House Democratic leaders could complete work as soon as Monday on a half-trillion-dollar spending package that will include billions of dollars for the war effort in Iraq without the timelines for the withdrawal of combat forces that President Bush has refused to accept, House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) said yesterday.

In a complicated deal over the war funds, Democrats will include about $11 billion more in domestic spending than Bush has requested, emergency drought relief for the Southeast and legislation to address the subprime mortgage crisis, Hoyer told a meeting of the Washington Post editorial board.

If the bargain were to become law, it would be the third time since Democrats took control of Congress that they would have failed to force Bush to change course in Iraq and continued to fund a war that they have repeatedly vowed to end. But it would also be the clearest instance yet of the president bowing to a Democratic demand for more money for domestic priorities, an increase that he had promised to reject.

So, let's be clear: for eleven billion dollars more in domestic spending, House Democrats are willing to waste hundreds of billions more on the disastrous war in Iraq. Not to mention, you know- lives. Perhaps it should occur to them that there would be a helluva lot more for domestic spending if we weren't busily bankrupting ourselves in Iraq. Not to mention, you know- lives.

I'm sure it will come as great comfort to our troops, the families and friends of our troops, and the Iraqi people that we'll have more money for domestic spending. Certainly, their lives are worth it. Or something.

Meanwhile, our ostensible coalition has all but evaporated. According to a different Post article:

President Bush once called it the "coalition of the willing," the countries willing to fight alongside the United States in Iraq. The list topped off in mid-2004 at 32 countries; troop strength peaked in November that year at 25,595. The force has since shrunk to 26 countries and 11,755 troops, or about 7 percent of the 175,000-strong multinational force, according to mid-November figures provided by the U.S. military.

Everyone else is coming to their senses, but not us. Not even with a Democratic Congress.

Armando?

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The House hasn't committed to this. (4.00 / 8)
Alarmingly, Reid has apparently caved:

But the deal has a long way to go before it can be enacted. Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) vowed last month to oppose any additional money for the Iraq war that does not come with a timeline for the withdrawal of U.S. troops. In talks this week with White House Chief of Staff Joshua B. Bolten and White House budget chief Jim Nussle, Reid signaled that he could accept the McConnell deal, according to Senate Democratic aides. But Pelosi is uncommitted, spokesman Nadeam Elshami said.



"Oh, you are just the worst type of person." -- Stewie Griffen


Oh, good. (4.00 / 8)
70 percent of the American people oppose the war, the economy is in free-fall, we have just had even more evidence thrown at us that however much money we toss at Iraq -- most of it is either unaccounted for or wasted -- and those we elected are saying OK, have some more.  But none for health care for lower-middle-income kids who need health care or, well I won't go on.

[ Parent ]
the DCCC called me tonight (4.00 / 5)
I gave them a piece of my mind.  The lady on the phone made her pitch, "with your help we gained control of congress in 2006..."  I went off--"A lot of good that's done us!", I said.  I told her that I will be giving to individual candidates for a while, the one who will do what we elelcted them to do.  I gave to the DCCC in the past, but no mas!  Not until they do what we elected them to do.

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a couple months back (4.00 / 6)
they called me just as i was about to post something at dk. i told the guy i'd give them money when they ended the war. he started to make the usual excuses, and i channeled armando- you just defund, you just refuse to bring a funding bill to the floor. then, i hung up.

the glory, the love, the madness.

[ Parent ]
Oh, I felt a little sorry for the one that got me today (4.00 / 3)
I've been pissy all day.  After me decrying, "a lot of good that's done us." and the subseqent bitchfest she was speachless.  Literally, stunned silence on the other end of the line.  I felt a little bad for her, since she is just doing her job, but F IT!!!!  Desperate times......you know the rest.

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which raises the question: (4.00 / 10)
who has the real power in the house- pelosi or hoyer?

the glory, the love, the madness.

[ Parent ]
. (4.00 / 10)
3886

Later today, these young dead men will be profiled:

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Dewayne White

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I am up because I am working on their profiles.  I weep for their families and for my country.  

Bless you, Turkana.


and bless you (4.00 / 6)
for all the work you do to put a human face on this continuing atrocity!

the glory, the love, the madness.

[ Parent ]
Thank you, Turkana (4.00 / 2)
and the same to you, my friend.

[ Parent ]
Oh God (4.00 / 4)
Their faces.

Thank you for your work.


[ Parent ]
What became of all those deprogramers? (4.00 / 6)
There is a mass hypnosis afoot in the land.

There is no guiding star coming from the media or our elected leaders or our best and brightest.

Yell loud. YELL LOUDER!

Scream like stuck pigs great high pitched squeals of outrage.


They have seen the card. (4.00 / 3)
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And the card is us.  Apparently.


[ Parent ]
Queen of Schmucks? n/t (4.00 / 2)


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Previous funding bill w/o firm deadline for (4.00 / 4)
withdrawal passed, even though many Dems had promised not to vote for it.  At the last minute, lots of money for pet projects was either placed in the bill or in a side agreement bill.  Looks like that is what is happening here, although the White House is trying to make it look like Congress is going crazy spending money.  

"We can't change the country. Let us change the subject." Stephen Dedalus in Ulysses, by James Joyce(1922).  

in other words (4.00 / 3)
they can be bought off.  

the glory, the love, the madness.

[ Parent ]
Ach (4.00 / 3)
It's not much fun to have to call Nancy Pelosi a liar.

it may be that she meant it (4.00 / 3)
but can't control her own caucus.

the glory, the love, the madness.

[ Parent ]
It's hard to see her as anything more than a figurehead (4.00 / 5)
Steny's obviously in charge, and he's bad news.

I think Jeralyn mentioned mentioned at Talk Left that Armando would be out of town for a few weeks, so we're likely going to have a headless defunding chicken, as if we were effective before. . .


[ Parent ]
all we need do (4.00 / 4)
is quote him. he's explained it, very clearly, very many times. i just want to see him vent his famously mild-mannered opinion on this...

the glory, the love, the madness.

[ Parent ]
I wonder what Barbara Lee will have to say about this (4.00 / 3)
Or the rest of the Out of Iraq caucus.

Armando has been right from the beginning, but that hasn't been enough.


[ Parent ]
shhh! (4.00 / 3)
don't let him know we know!

the glory, the love, the madness.

[ Parent ]
His special feature (4.00 / 3)
is that he never has to be told.

[ Parent ]
War is good you think? (2.00 / 3)
Armando has been right from the beginning

In the latest incarnation, Armando is supporting Obama as his favorite candidate.

I would not be unhappy to see Obama elected but only if he is lying.

Obama has indicated he wants a larger military forcem not a smaller one.

Obama didn't want to go into Iraq when the Butcher of Baghdad was offering a reward for shooting down American planes offering some protection from extermination of Kurds and Marsh Arabs.  Now he doesn't want to get out when the first butcher is gone and we are funding and supporting lots of new butchers at the cost of thousands of American lives.  Make sense to you and Armando?  Doesn't to me.

Armando seems to be echoing BigTentDemocrat on his (her) misnamed Talk Left (should be Talk Right).  The big tent excludes most liberals and working classes.  Civil libertarians seem welcome but not peaceniks.  I have no idea why BTD makes a stirring argument for reason in defunding the occupation of Iraq but it is like agreeing with McCain for wanting to ban torture.  Both are wingers.

The only real true blue anti-war candidate is Mike Gravel.  Even Kucinich has some quibbles.  I thought for a time of voting for Richardson because of his all-out car for withdrawal but the guy's a moron.  Bush is a great lesson in what morons can do to you.

My guess is the Out of Iraq caucus will fold their tent once again and agree to more war without end, more death and mutilation.

Yeah I guess Armando is right but I prefer lefties myself.

What is your opinion BTW?  Are you tongue tied?  

Best,  Terry


[ Parent ]
armando (0.00 / 0)
is for dodd.

the glory, the love, the madness.

[ Parent ]
Not anymore (4.00 / 2)
Obama's at the top of his list now. I happen to disagree with him on that.

[ Parent ]
wow! (0.00 / 0)
when did that happen? he have a long chat with donnie? or did he decide social security... or mandates... or the bankruptcy... or 2013... or... ?

the glory, the love, the madness.

[ Parent ]
It was about Dodd on licenses for the undocumented (4.00 / 2)
[ Parent ]
Too narrow. Also for going negative (4.00 / 1)
on Clinton. ("Perhaps even more troubling . . .")

"We can't change the country. Let us change the subject." Stephen Dedalus in Ulysses, by James Joyce(1922).  

[ Parent ]
Sorry; misquoted. (4.00 / 2)
But more troubling than that for me is his campaign team probably thinks it was one of his best moments - because he got to zing Hillary Clinton.

From The Gospel accoring to BTD.

"We can't change the country. Let us change the subject." Stephen Dedalus in Ulysses, by James Joyce(1922).  


[ Parent ]
And as of today (4.00 / 2)
not Obama.

BTD--what a flip-flopper!  


[ Parent ]
what the hell (4.00 / 1)
is he doing over there?

the glory, the love, the madness.

[ Parent ]
It's where he does his wonky candidate fight stuff (4.00 / 3)


[ Parent ]
heh (4.00 / 2)
he might want to read the left coaster. check eriposte's new krugman link:

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/...

the glory, the love, the madness.


[ Parent ]
Saw it (4.00 / 1)
You've made a regular reader out of me.  

[ Parent ]
Re: "Wonky candidate fight stuff" (4.00 / 2)
Has BTD posted Obama candidate essays at mydd?  I have been so inactive there I can't even sign in to do a search!

"We can't change the country. Let us change the subject." Stephen Dedalus in Ulysses, by James Joyce(1922).  

[ Parent ]
Maybe, maybe not. (4.00 / 1)
Right now I am a weak Obama supporter, But I think I am jumping ship after this.


"We can't change the country. Let us change the subject." Stephen Dedalus in Ulysses, by James Joyce(1922).  

[ Parent ]
I searched TL for a post on the previous (4.00 / 3)
pork laden sellout funding bill.  Couldn't locate.  Could be at DK, which is out of order at present.

"We can't change the country. Let us change the subject." Stephen Dedalus in Ulysses, by James Joyce(1922).  

[ Parent ]
That was "capitulation supplemental" II (4.00 / 2)
from last spring. The argument is not materially different.

[ Parent ]
True. (4.00 / 3)
Re-reading TL posts is quite informative.  Such strong writing and advocacy and persistent consistency.  If only THEY would "read and heed" as my boss sometimes says.

"We can't change the country. Let us change the subject." Stephen Dedalus in Ulysses, by James Joyce(1922).  

[ Parent ]
Sounds like a lyric from Schoolhouse Rock. (4.00 / 2)


"We can't change the country. Let us change the subject." Stephen Dedalus in Ulysses, by James Joyce(1922).  

[ Parent ]
i give two good armando quotes (4.00 / 2)
in my post at the left coaster.

the glory, the love, the madness.

[ Parent ]
You can pick anything he's written on the topic (4.00 / 2)
since last March and come up with pretty much the same argument.  

[ Parent ]
Actually, look back to even earlier in 2007. (4.00 / 3)


"We can't change the country. Let us change the subject." Stephen Dedalus in Ulysses, by James Joyce(1922).  

[ Parent ]
He revved up for defunding in February (4.00 / 2)
and convinced me in about March. So you're right, it's been about a year.  

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Don't think so, after that interview (4.00 / 1)
in which she labelled those not in Congress who want out of Iraq now "a distraction."  

"We can't change the country. Let us change the subject." Stephen Dedalus in Ulysses, by James Joyce(1922).  

[ Parent ]
Youth on Iraq w/ Fareed Zakaria (4.00 / 2)


My views are not necessarily spelled correctly but should be taken to represent the views of the poor sap running this site even when it is obvious that we disagree.HowOd

I was gonna comment.. (4.00 / 6)
It's groundhog day again
but I did that yesterday
yesterday yesterday yesterday  

Tellin' you all the Zomby Troof... Here I'm is...

tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow (4.00 / 3)
creeps in this petty pace from day to day
to the last syllable of recorded time

the glory, the love, the madness.

[ Parent ]
Tie the War Funding to a Repeal of Tax Cuts (4.00 / 2)
The Iraq war is obviously really important to Bush, so we should see if he's willing to actually fund it. See if he likes to be forced to choose between the rich "base" that is his real reason for starting the war and continuing the war.

Capitulate? (4.00 / 2)

Capitulate? Capitulate my ass. Complicit is how it's spelled.

They are playing the electorate like marionettes. The tens of millions who come home from work every day too tired to think, then turn on the TV when their resistance and reasoning ability is at it's lowest believing they'll get "news" and instead get "programming". There's a good reason it's called "programming". The word is descriptive of the effect what pours of of those screens. Then those tens of millions go to sleep repeating to themselves how "different" and "better" the democrats are. How they are the "lesser of two evils", and since they are they are the ones who must be obediently voted for since they repeatedly "promise" to end the debacle... once given "the rest of" the keys to the kingdom.

Someone is capitulating. Too many people are capitulating. But it's not the democrats in Congress.

Lookitthat! $11 Billion in domestic spending! Aren't they wonderful?

The marionettes get back $11 Billion out of the nearly a Trillion that has already been taken from them to pay for the debacle and the mass death....

....and they go to sleep happy and smiling. And they'll line up obediently at the polls next year to vote for "antiwar" democrats. Because they are incrementally better? Because they are the "lesser of two evils"?

Someone pass me one of those airsick bags, will you please?


leave you for dead on the highway (4.00 / 2)

It may look easy
When you look at me
But it took years of effort
To become the mess that you see
Now what kind of woman
Take you for a ride
Down the rattlesnake highway
An' leave you busted up inside
All busted up inside
Smiles like a cobra
With her rattlesnake eyes
'n leave you for dead on the highway
Just mumblin' at the sky

--John Fogerty, Rattlesnake Highway



[ Parent ]
They Won't Even Get The $11 Billion (4.00 / 3)
From the same WaPo article:

Republican leaders are badly divided on the plan. At a White House meeting this week, McConnell presented the proposal to Bush, but House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) and House Minority Whip Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) urged the president to reject it.
...
Blunt said yesterday that Democrats will give in on war funding, with or without additional money for domestic programs. "There's no reason to make a bad bargain," he said. "The president holds all the cards."

The Dems will give in on funding and get nothing in return (unless it fills the campaign coffers of Bush enablers like Hoyer) but the public confirmation that the Dems are both weak and stupid.

No courage = No $$$ for Dems


[ Parent ]
Hey, MO! Nice to see you back here.... (4.00 / 3)


[ Parent ]
Been Lurking Not Gone (4.00 / 3)
Too disgusted with the Dems to comment much. Get tired of being so negative but can't find much positive to say about either political party right about now.  

No courage = No $$$ for Dems

[ Parent ]
Happens to you too, huh? (4.00 / 2)
I get that feeling often, and I keep trying to remind myself to remind myself that maybe, just maybe, they are trying to produce that reaction purposely... trying to wear people down, iow...

??


[ Parent ]
Are you a Tom Petty fan? (4.00 / 2)


[ Parent ]
Not Backing Down - Small Individual Protests (4.00 / 2)
regarding money and time. Letting the Dems know that I will fund results not talk or letters or any other cowardly actions.

Just get tired of repeating myself. Can not trust what our so called Dem leadership says on anything and more than tired of them publicly making fools of themselves by grabbing their ankles for Bush and the Repugs. Tired of them treating us like idiots also.

Great vid. Thanks for sharing it.



No courage = No $$$ for Dems


[ Parent ]
And even if they do it comes out of their own pockets (4.00 / 2)
and is added to the nearly a trillion taken from them for the debacle.... what a suckers game.

[ Parent ]
Why do they keep slippin (4.00 / 2)
those cards to him, when all he really has are jokers! Card tricks are not the game but illusions. these are not even good illusions!

[ Parent ]
And Roy Blunt (4.00 / 1)
is a lousy liar....

[ Parent ]
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