What A Buncha Bologna!!!!

O-de-lay.... (4.00 / 3)

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by: Jack's Smirking Revenge @ Wed Sep 28, 2011 at 05:31:07 AM UTC

And (4.00 / 2)

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by: wilberforce @ Wed Sep 28, 2011 at 10:49:24 AM UTC

and: (4.00 / 4)

"I think this speaks for it self. Second arrest during Occupy Wall Street. Officer Luis Pacheco is the one grabbing my breasts. I was held for over 30 hours. Spread the word." - Anna Kathryn Sluka, 24, of Muskegon, Michigan

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by: wilberforce @ Wed Sep 28, 2011 at 10:53:08 AM UTC

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. (4.00 / 2)

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by: wilberforce @ Wed Sep 28, 2011 at 11:03:37 AM UTC

Bologna lives on Staten Island (4.00 / 4)

I am completely unsurprised by his actions, Part of the Island are heavily Republican, Conservative and Tea Party. They also claim to be religious but many of the whites are arrogant, ignorant, bigots. It is people like Bologna that perpetuate the "white privilege" meme and give the decent people of Staten Island a bad name.

By the way, I'd like this Bologna FIRED, not fried.

(well, maybe a little "fried" with a taser)

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"

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by: TheMomCat @ Wed Sep 28, 2011 at 11:05:53 AM UTC

He's been at it since 2001 at least, (4.00 / 4)

and he's been repeatedly promoted in the NYPD.  

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by: wilberforce @ Wed Sep 28, 2011 at 11:35:48 AM UTC

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Typical of these police departments (4.00 / 4)

to promote their storm trooper type personnel. Looking of the next Darth Vader  

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"

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by: TheMomCat @ Wed Sep 28, 2011 at 11:42:59 AM UTC

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I could tell ya many stories from (4.00 / 1)

growing up in Brooklyn about cops, guys that live out in Midwood, and went to Farrels bar at night, and cops to be.

Statin Island is the same thing. All those neighborhoods out in LI are the same too-cop and fireman ghettos. Some sanitation workers and stuff like that.  What's that place called? Seaford, LI? Jersey too - one of those towns in N Jersey under the GW Bridge is almost all NYC Cops.

Many of these guys are third gen cops, 4th gen cops--those are the one's that set the mentality, even though over all the dept is more diverse than it used to be, it doesn't matter, with that mentality.

The NYC cop is by and large not a nice guy -- and if he was before, that is beaten out of him by leaders like Bologna, who runs the 1st precinct (most important precinct in the city).  They have an us vs everyone else mentality, and they like to fight and hurt people.  It's what they do for fun at night at the cop bars - totally drunk w/ guns on.

And they don't like weird people, different people, hippies, commies, punks, liberals, gays, etc. etc. They don't like blacks or hispanics or anyone else, but they have to put up with some now.  

The nicer guys from those neighborhoods become firemen, sanitation, those are the one's not interested in power, fighting, etc- but also that's a generational thing- you grow up in a cop household, you prolly become a cop, a fireman's son become's a fireman.  

Of course, it may be different now, but obviously not much.

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by: wilberforce @ Wed Sep 28, 2011 at 12:10:35 PM UTC

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We also became doctors. ;-) (4.00 / 1)

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"

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by: TheMomCat @ Wed Sep 28, 2011 at 19:59:08 PM UTC

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Of course. (0.00 / 0)

Lots of people in that group (did you grow up in that environment--although I knew those guys, I didn't...I grew up in an all black neighborhood near Crown Heights, and NONE of my neighbors became cops- of that I'm 100% sure) went on to do other stuff.

For me, leaving bklyn for Manhattan when I was 19 was like a breath of air though.  

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by: wilberforce @ Wed Sep 28, 2011 at 20:11:18 PM UTC

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I became a NYC police officer (4.00 / 1)

after I left the military in '72. one of the first women in a patrol care and then in plain clothes. It had it's moments when I questioned what I was doing & I took a lot of harassment.

I was laid off in the mid 70's due to the NYC financial crisis, ended up in med school working in Kings County Hospital for over  30 years in the ER. I wouldn't trade a minute of it.

I met a lot of good cops and a few bad ones, some even from the neighborhood who came back to try to make a difference. There are a lot of officers out there now who are very sym[pathetic to OWS because their pension have been affected by Wall St. It's officers like Bologna that give the majority a bad name. Just like Crown Heights, Bed Stuy, E. New York, Brownsville, etc. it only takes one or two to make it all look bad.

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"

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by: TheMomCat @ Wed Sep 28, 2011 at 22:58:37 PM UTC

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The ER at King County must have been wild, (4.00 / 1)

I'm not big generally on the western medical establishment, but you guys do trama well, and working as an ER Doc every day for 30 years seems very hard to me, and pretty darn noble, honestly.

I knew a Doc who worked there, can't remember his name right now--Charles something I think.

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by: wilberforce @ Wed Sep 28, 2011 at 23:18:18 PM UTC

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Over at DKOS there's a lot of sympathy for cops (4.00 / 1)

and the leaders of the demonstration insist on making common cause with the cops. They don't know what you and I know about those neighborhoods and the cop culture particularly in large cities. In smaller localities the attitude is different because people tend to know each other and cops don't live in cop-ghettos and mainly socialize with cops.

My advice for people is to always avoid cops if you can help it. I've known some very dangerous ones who would kill you if you fucked with them at least in the old days.

Having said that, most of the cops seemed to have been pretty mild--I didn't notice them tasering or beating people with sticks at least.  

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by: banger @ Wed Sep 28, 2011 at 22:08:48 PM UTC

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I've been posting over there (4.00 / 1)

for the first time in years. I didn't really see that much sympathy for the cops (?)

There were some beat downs, and blood, how severe I don't know- they did a really good job of standing in front of the cameras. Cops are dangerous, especially in the cities, state troopers also, some local departments are OK, some are not.  In 'liberal' Oregon, they've been jailing young kids for pot or a little graffiti.

I knew lots of cops in NY, never once met a liberal, I did meet some who weren't out and out racists, but most were. Like I said, the FDNY is a somewhat better story.

Yes, avoid them if you can help it. But, in demonstrations, you're putting yourself on the line, though, so you can't.

This all pales of course in comparison to what the US does daily in other countries-- there they'd just shoot you, maybe rape you first, and also to what happens in black neighborhoods, but I can't help but feel this is the start of something.  

Maybe it's just a blip on the radar, but if these protesters hook up with the unions, the postal workers, the IWW, the vast unemployed, and so on it will get interesting.

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by: wilberforce @ Wed Sep 28, 2011 at 22:36:06 PM UTC

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For a long time I've felt there has been no movement on the left (4.00 / 1)

But the way the demonstrators have been conducting themselves gives me more hope. I don't think it will happen fast but there's something to build on. I think the fact the MSM is trying to ignore it is interesting and could very well contribute to making the MSM even less relevant. Frankly, the "news" they "report" is usually pretty lame and stupid--a lot of hype and little substance--they avoid dealing with the real issues we all face. Most importantly, we need to start looking at the big picture--we are in a state of flux and crisis so it's a good time to ask what kind of world to we want to live in? What kind of world to we want our kids to live in? Does it have to be just a continuation of current trends?

As for DKOS, I read many posts that people wanted to form an alliance with the police and that it was only the higher ranking officers that were a problem etc. Maybe they're right--they are the ones on the street. If I didn't have to attend to matters here I'd go and visit.  

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by: banger @ Thu Sep 29, 2011 at 14:23:31 PM UTC

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Yes. (4.00 / 1)

This is from a recced diary at Kos:

Obama has proven that elections do not bring change.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/...

That place has changed dramatically- saying that would have gotten you quickly banned not long ago, not rec listed. Of course, Kos and the front page haven't changed -- they're searching for adbucks and dem party influence peddling.

But there's a huge change in the ideas of the average poster.  

And, also, I think you're right the MSM is making itself less relevant by ignoring this.  

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by: wilberforce @ Thu Sep 29, 2011 at 15:18:43 PM UTC

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I agree, there's almost been a revolution there (0.00 / 0)

A solid group there is at the place where we were when this site started.

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by: banger @ Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 00:36:21 AM UTC

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And from the IWW: (4.00 / 1)

Some people are worried that late tonight the cops might attack when the crowd is at its smallest. They really want people to be watching on live stream and people to be there late into the night, early in the morning.  Luckily there are 3 major English language TV station trucks there now.

The people are trying to very carefully to stay in the most positive relationship with the NYPD.

They are really trying. Lots of cops talk about agreeing with the protest but they don't want to lose there jobs.

http://www.iww.org/

So, maybe some of the rank and file is with the protesters?

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by: wilberforce @ Thu Sep 29, 2011 at 17:29:10 PM UTC

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I'd certainly like to see some more cities experiencing protests like N.Y. (4.00 / 2)

Just to see things begin to percolate.
Even if things slow down or fizzle during the Winter, serious conversations amongst thousands may begin to take place for the warmer months of 2012. Like Chile, Spain, England, The Arab Spring etc. unemployed, disenchanted and indebted people of all kinds will lead the charge. Finally a spark of hope??

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by: bigsurtree @ Fri Sep 30, 2011 at 06:01:14 AM UTC

74 US cities now involved (4.00 / 2)

And some international

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by: wilberforce @ Fri Sep 30, 2011 at 13:30:50 PM UTC

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