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BP's Oil is NOT on the Surface -- it's on the Sea Floor

  

by: jamess

Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 22:07:33 PDT


(11AM EST - promoted by Nightprowlkitty)


Two weeks ago we were being told the majority of the Oil Spilled was "mostly" gone ...

How did five million barrels of oil simply disappear?

Press Secretary Robert Gibbs points to a pie chart on the BP oil spill during the Daily White House Press Briefing, Washington, DC.

AFP/ Getty Images


Now, University of South Florida, Marine Scientists are reporting Science has a different tale, to tell ...

jamess :: BP's Oil is NOT on the Surface -- it's on the Sea Floor

Two weeks ago this was the "All Clear" Press Release:

Scientists: Most oil gone from Gulf spill
By Steve Gelsi - Market Pulse, MarketWatch.com -- Aug. 4, 2010

A team of scientsts from the federal government said Wednesday that most of the estimated 4.9 million barrels of oil that came from the Deepwater Horizion accident and the ruptured Macondo well has been collected, evaporated or dispersed. The team, led by the Department of the Interior and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, said

burning, skimming and direct recovery from the wellhead removed 33% of the oil;

about 25% of the oil evaporated or dissolved,

and 16% was dispersed into microscopic droplets.

The rest of the oil, about 26%, is either on or just below the surface as light sheen and weathered tar balls.

for more specifics from that "Ends Well" episode:
Scientists say: The Oil is NOT Gone -- even if our Attention spans are

by jamess -- Aug 06, 2010


Now, University of South Florida, Marine Scientists are reporting that their thorough Scientific Readings, have discovered that much of that "missing oil" has been FOUND!

Alert the Media!  


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Report Says Up To 80% Of Escaped Oil May Be On The Gulf Bottom  (has Video Report)
Reporter: Ed Lavandera, CNN -- Aug 17, 2010

It's news no one wants to hear. Researchers have discovered oil from BP's gulf spill has spread further east than anyone thought. But the oil is not on the surface. They say it's on the sea floor, stretching as far east as 40 miles south of Panama City.
[...]
Two experts on the mission, David Hollander and John Paul, a Marine Micro-biologist, sat down with CNN for an exclusive review of their findings. The USF scientists say they found toxic levels of oil and dispersants infecting marine organisms just 40 miles south of Panama City, Florida.

The organisms, called phytoplankton and other microscopic bacteria in the ocean are the foundation of the food chain. "It feeds and fuels the ecology of the ocean and if those guys are in trouble, the ocean is in trouble.

So far federal government scientists have downplayed the impact of microscopic oil making its way up the food chain. This is what Dr. Jane Lubchenco, the head of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said earlier this month. "Fish will degrade that oil and process it naturally. And so it doesn't bio-accumulate, so it's not a situation where we need to be concerned about that. Over time, it will be broken down."

USF scientists tell us that is a "shortsighted" view of the danger. NOAA officials haven't responded to these latest scientific findings.

[...]
All along the way, they found microscopic droplets of oil on the ocean floor. "Right here is a sedimentary record from an area that was about 1500 meters water depth, right adjacent to the deepwater horizon."

Using U-V light on the sediment the microscopic oil stands out easily. "You can see them all spread out all over, it's all speckled and when you turn out the lights it looks like the southern sky. it looks like a constellation of stars."

But most troubling to David Hollander is evidence that the submerged oil is making its way through a region of the Gulf of Mexco known as the Desoto Canyon. The canyon stretches from just east of the deepwater horizon spill site to an area south of Panama City. "So the concern is, not only that you found the droplets of oil widespread, but where you found it? Yea, it's coming now into these areas that are critical marine protected areas, critical habitats for commercial and recreational fishing."

None of this is good news. And, no one can answer what's going to happen to the oil, estimated by some, to be about 80% of what escaped into the Gulf in the last three months. The scientists say one thing for sure is the oil is out there and it's apparently not far away.

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The Oil was NOT Gone -- It's just quietly collecting in "critical marine protected areas, in critical habitats" -- in the underwater Desoto Canyon  -- far beneath those peering eyes of BP's hired hands.


Where is the Desoto Canyon anyways, and what does it look like?

Well according to Google Earth, it seems to be a sizable area of {critical} concern:

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Maybe someday, the People will get the Real Story about the Eco-Impact of BP's out of control Oil Spill --
that is if we don't assume the problem's solved, now, cuz Gibbs told me so.


Of course, enough people, have to demand that We get the Real Story -- First Amendment like -- one based on Real Science -- cuz the Media has already tried to put this tired Story to bed. ... Nite Nite, Gulf Coast! Sleep well.


Out of Sight, in this case however, DOES NOT Mean, Out of the Gulf!  (... even IF it's Off of the Tube.)

Apparently ... Oil mixed with Dispersant, tends to stick around, cling to things ... like the Ocean Floor, or so the latest Scientific evidence would seem to say.


Anyone, got some Underwater Vacuums?  We just may need them, to clean up this big mess, before this Tale is done.

 

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It's a wonderful day in the Neighborhood (4.00 / 13)

Especially if BP Execs drop by to sign a few Exclusive Contracts ...

I put this in Google Earth search

Magnolia Springs Waste Management

and the supposed disposal site shows up, just a short drive
from Bon Secour AL, which appears to have a deep harbor.
Quite secluded too.  (in the Magnolia burbs)

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Funny how BP exec Doug Suttles was in Bon Secour,
about mid June ???   About the same time of the rumored mass Animal Exodus.

http://blog.al.com/live/2010/0...

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Gulf Coast locals were sickened by what they saw Waste Management employees doing:

http://monstersbehere.blogspot...



Where's the Note?    -- SEIU


Thar be Whales (4.00 / 6)

and Sea Turtles and Dolphins too

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Or so, first hand reports would seem to indicate ...

I wonder what the locals know?

back story


Where's the Note?    -- SEIU


[ Parent ]
oops (4.00 / 3)

the larger image is really smaller one

sorry about that,

it's too early for this stuff.


Where's the Note?    -- SEIU


[ Parent ]
Jamess (4.00 / 3)
Here`s link for you.
Proof of oil plumes.
http://apnews.excite.com/artic...

I`m already against the next war.

[ Parent ]
thanks kh (4.00 / 2)

Finally!


Where's the Note?    -- SEIU


[ Parent ]
Of all the disappointments of this administration , (4.00 / 7)
one of the worst for me is that Jane Lubchenco has associated herself with this steaming pile.

pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will

Thank you, jamess, for (4.00 / 6)
this effort and for staying on top of it!

Unfortunately, all that is now coming out was what we suspected a long time ago, every single bit of it and we NOW have confirmation that our suspicions were on target.  I had seen figures on National Wildlife a month or so ago that showed huge numbers of the ocean/coastal life as victims, but we've known BP would DO ANYTHING to minimize their fines.

There are not adequate words to express the heartbreak of this criminally negligent eco-disaster.  

But news of BP's cover-up IS GETTING OUT!  

Rick's Blog

The Independent News:

Wednesday August 18th 2010

BP Oil Spill cover up story gets traction, MSNBC 2:30

CDTABC writes about the article without mentioning me: Oil Spill: Were BP and the Government Too Quick to Declare Success?

MSNBC is interviewing me today at 2:30 CDT.

AOL News picked it up has a "Hot Lead".

Technorati.com is featuring it on its Blog Focus.

See more of Rick Blog's BP articles here.   Rick Outzen has been a guest on Progressive Radio a number of times.  He is a coastal resident of Pensacola and writes for The Independent News there, as well as for the Daily Beast.  He has been going up and down the coast with regularity in search of the truth and sometimes, people or ex-employees just come up and tell him what is going on.

Ya' see, it's like I said, the gov. needs BP tocontinue its obscene wars, soooooo . . . .!

The destruction of the plankton and anenome, etc. are the food sources for much of ocean life, without it . . . . . !  

 



"At his best, man is the noblest of all animals; separated from law and justice he is the worst."--Aristotle

Whoops! (4.00 / 5)
The block quoted material should have ended at "Blog Focus".

"At his best, man is the noblest of all animals; separated from law and justice he is the worst."--Aristotle

[ Parent ]
Good work tb3 (4.00 / 4)


Breathe in emptiness and luminosity.  Breathe out compassion.

[ Parent ]
Thank you, syd! (4.00 / 3)


"At his best, man is the noblest of all animals; separated from law and justice he is the worst."--Aristotle

[ Parent ]
Very informative... (4.00 / 5)
...as usual Jamess.  Thanks!

Breathe in emptiness and luminosity.  Breathe out compassion.

I commented on Orange to this effect a month ago. Crickets. (4.00 / 7)
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 I said (paraphrasing myself):  "Why are we hearing nary a peep from anywhere about the oil plume in / under the Gulf of Mexico?"  I think I got 2, maybe 3, "recs" and then the comment was ignored and went away.

 Glad to see that this is, finally, getting the attention it deserves.

.

"I'm a reasonable guy, but I've just experienced some very unreasonable things."  Jack Burton.


sorry to hear that Mu (4.00 / 6)

I've frequently had the same reaction there.

they're not the most supportive / informed bunch there.

I've found the best way to get a response,

is to have a very clear / very provocative Title for the post.

That way, at least get people to open the piece in the first place.


Timing of when you post too, is important to readership
(use typical EST work schedules)

and make sure there's a few Diaries on "the List" that are "old"  (around 6-8 hours) if you hope to make the rec list there.




Where's the Note?    -- SEIU


[ Parent ]
I was there for a little over 6 years. I get all that. Naturally, had the subject line read . . . (4.00 / 4)
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   What of Oil IN the Gulf? Obama: god or just Superman?

. . . then I'm sure it would've got more looks, recs and comments.

;o).

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"I'm a reasonable guy, but I've just experienced some very unreasonable things."  Jack Burton.


[ Parent ]
And if it's on the bottom it can't evaporate nor can sunlight and oxygen and microbes (4.00 / 5)
.... help to break it down.

MMS contracted with a bunch of federal contractor scientists from here and Canada to study the use of dispersants on oil spills before the Deepwater Horizon/ Macondo 252 blew out.   http://www.boemre.gov/tarproje...

They then kept using the Corexit dispersant at the oil well's breach on the sea floor nearly a mile down, even when Lisa Jackson at first pretended that she understood it was toxic, and promised to tell BP to stop using it.  The oil that broke up underwater, never made it to the surface, duh.

Should we believe that they never had tried this on a much smaller scale before and observed what happened to the oil ?  Does it rise, sink, or suspend ?  

Out of sight, out of mind, beaches "look clean."

Spread further east than anyone thought ?  Heck, NASA and the Navy have satellite pictures showing the oil sheen doing just that, there's even some of the oil going around the southern tip of Florida and heading up the Atlantic, as well as south to the Yucatan and then going back east towards Mexico and up the coast towards Texas.  That's the sheen, of course there's more underneath.

What ought to spook people is that one of the people who was insisting on there being a much bigger oil plume travelling under the surface, Matt Simmons, was found dead in a hot tub recently, c.d. drowning, heart disease secondary factor.  Simmons was saying some crazy things before he died, was accused of trying to profit by stock sales, and could be said to have had a screw loose with his insistence that the well had leaked sideways for miles then erupted thru the seafloor, but still, he was correct in that there was a mass of oil underwater and un acknowledged by the government.

Matt Simmons, age 67,  obituary
http://obits.nola.com/obituari...

 


At least it wasn't (4.00 / 4)
suicide by three gunshots to the back of his head.

[ Parent ]
suicide (4.00 / 5)
And no gun found.

I`m already against the next war.

[ Parent ]
Jamess (4.00 / 6)
I read & reccd your cross-post at DK yesterday.
It does seem like some people shy away from reality or tend to ignore it.
It`s hard to comprehend that some people think that because something is "dissolved" in water, it ceases to exist, as well as thinking that oil does "dissolve" in water.
I`m glad you have not backed off from posting your informative diaries.
Mine are just reminders of what we could lose forever, if we don`t keep the pressure on, although I`m very upset with the seemingly diminishing coverage of the gulf by the administration, the MSM, & the constant multimillion dollar propaganda on the TV by BP, that all will be well. (pardon the pun)

I`m already against the next war.

The Three Monkeys Syndrome... (4.00 / 6)
...Apologies to monkeys; they don't engage in conscious- denial-by-choice.  But humans surely do.  

I have been trying to warn "the food committee" where I live.  I have given them several articles on the dangers of the EPA/Administration lies saying GOM seafood is safe to eat.  They don't even respond to me.  I send an e-mail and never hear back.

I ended my most recent one by saying I didn't think any of us would want to be part of an experiment in the possible carcinogenic, mutatigenic effects of 'invisible' oil-corexit compounds.  

No response.  I can only imagine their thoughts: "Ah, there goes Sydney again, the bringer of bad news!"

Breathe in emptiness and luminosity.  Breathe out compassion.


[ Parent ]
Good on you, syd! (4.00 / 5)
Oh, did you know that BP has had fishermen sign waivers that it would be the fishermen's liabilities as to the safety of their stock, and not BP's?

I think it would be good to send the video link of Dr. Riki Ott, the marine biologist and toxicologist to our reps and the EPA, wherever.  Let's see all of them refute this woman's expertise, knowledge and hands-on experience.

Here's just one Dr. Ott video on the dangers BP Gulf Impact and an article by her  
From the Ground: BP Censoring Media, Destroying Evidence.

But, I suppose everyone counts on it being a long time before the effects of eating contaminated seafood would even show up, so no one gives a damn -- afterall, after a long period of time, how would anyone go about proving their illness was caused by BP and the fishermen's seafood?

"At his best, man is the noblest of all animals; separated from law and justice he is the worst."--Aristotle


[ Parent ]
tahoe (4.00 / 5)
Thank you for all the links you`ve brought to my attention over the past week.
Isn`t Dr, Ott the lady who studied &, had her health damaged, by the Exxon spill?

I`m already against the next war.

[ Parent ]
She was deeply involved with the Exxon (4.00 / 4)
Valez spill and knows intimately the extended damages to the environment, ocean life, and humans.  As to whether her health was also compromised, I don't recall that I've heard about it, but I would imagine that would probably be the case, because of all her exposure!


"At his best, man is the noblest of all animals; separated from law and justice he is the worst."--Aristotle

[ Parent ]
Here's her site (4.00 / 1)
and bio (haven't read fully) -- such an outstanding individual, if you will!

"At his best, man is the noblest of all animals; separated from law and justice he is the worst."--Aristotle

[ Parent ]
Yuk, left it out! (4.00 / 1)
Riki Ott

"At his best, man is the noblest of all animals; separated from law and justice he is the worst."--Aristotle

[ Parent ]
Et, merci a toi! (4.00 / 3)


"At his best, man is the noblest of all animals; separated from law and justice he is the worst."--Aristotle

[ Parent ]
Yep .. RICO operatives could... (4.00 / 3)
...take lessons from these crooks!

...did you know that BP has had fishermen sign waivers that it would be the fishermen's liabilities as to the safety of their stock, and not BP's?

I've been following this.

Breathe in emptiness and luminosity.  Breathe out compassion.


[ Parent ]
We've known right down the (4.00 / 3)
line and it's been all too apparent that BP will DO ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING to shift THEIR responsibilities onto the backs of others, including ours, which are on the verge of breaking.  And, the government?  Well, you know, gotta' have their oil for the f..king, lying, stinking war criminals "war on terra'!"

"At his best, man is the noblest of all animals; separated from law and justice he is the worst."--Aristotle

[ Parent ]
doubling my thanks then Knucklehead (4.00 / 4)

I appreciate the support.

I'm disgusted by how quickly this story has faded.

I'm trying to keep it in people's mind --

but frankly I'm wore out.


I've posted at least 50 stories on this topic,
in the last 3 months -- many with hours of research --
to little avail in the long run ...

(look at where the nation is now on the topic)


and the Orange Naysayers, are grinding me down too.
starting to feel like the kid crying wolf --

even though I shouldn't.


Thanks everyone for the encouraging words.
It helps, me battle on.

As Mulder would say, "the Truth is Out There ..."

(we just need to find it, and discuss it.)




Where's the Note?    -- SEIU


[ Parent ]
You ARE NOT ALONE in this effort, jamess, (4.00 / 5)
though, at times, it may seem so.  

It isn't just this that grinds on us and wears us down -- the list is endless.  But that would be the point of those in "power" -- simply, to continue to "grind" down our sensitivities and concerns for our "universe" to a point where "we are wore out."  That's the point!  Then, you become captive and subdued by all that you "hate."  

I do what I can, when I can, my life and circumstances limit me, lest I were to stay up 24 hours a day.  But, I think that's the circumstances of so many -- there is just so much that you can do -- but the "powers" that be know that, too!

Addendum:  Have you ever watched or heard C-Span with the "assholes" of our future and that of the world's speaking?  It's to vomit.  "The American people want this -- the American people want that. . . . .," as they proceed to screw us in every conceivable manner for their G-damned wars and self-greed.  

A revolution SHOULD BE CLOSE!

Thank you, jamess.  Please keep it up!


"At his best, man is the noblest of all animals; separated from law and justice he is the worst."--Aristotle


[ Parent ]
thanks tahoebasha (4.00 / 5)

for the words of encouragement.

I just wish, something --

would start going right, sometime.


Where's the Note?    -- SEIU


[ Parent ]
I'm as disheartened as you, or any of us, jamess! (4.00 / 1)
Unfortunately, I think it's all been/is a very well laid out plan for a long time now -- whether it's a Bilderberg plan (New World Order - actually, seems more and more likely), or simply, a US "video-game" like domination of the world, whatever the case -- it's quite obvious that the American people are also, becoming "fodder, "along with US soldiers, who have long been "taken" as "fodder."

Yes, we are to sacrifice ANYTHING and EVERYTHING on behalf of the gawd almighty "war on terra" -- witness our Social Security and Medicare IS ON THE LINE!  And, that includes off-shore drilling for the OIL -- doncha' know?  Who gives a F..k?  We gotta' keep them wars going -- even if the ocean life, environment, etc., is destroyed in the meantime!

Has anyone not thought that we might be approaching the end?  Unless we find and implement ways to CHANGE OUR WAYS -- I, with such depression in my heart (not so much for me, but for our children, grandchildren), I really wonder!

"At his best, man is the noblest of all animals; separated from law and justice he is the worst."--Aristotle


[ Parent ]
Let's do it as a relay, rather... (4.00 / 2)
...than an individual marathon!  We'll all get a turns to rest.

Breathe in emptiness and luminosity.  Breathe out compassion.

[ Parent ]
good idea (4.00 / 2)

this is a group effort

thanks dharmasyd!


Where's the Note?    -- SEIU


[ Parent ]
22 Mile-long Plume. (4.00 / 6)
.
 According to this article, just hitting the wires.

"WASHINGTON - A 22-mile-long invisible mist of oil is meandering far below the surface of the Gulf of Mexico, where it will probably loiter for months or more, scientists reported Thursday in the first conclusive evidence of an underwater plume from the BP spill.

The most worrisome part is the slow pace at which the oil is breaking down in the cold, 40-degree water, making it a long-lasting but unseen threat to vulnerable marine life, experts said."


.

"I'm a reasonable guy, but I've just experienced some very unreasonable things."  Jack Burton.

22 friggin' miles long!!!!!!! (4.00 / 3)
Plumes were found a few months back in the columns measuring, if I recollect correctly, 3 miles wide and 22 and longer miles long.  Did everyone just think that they would simply disappear?  Or, isn't it more likely that the tides/currents shifted their positions on an on-going basis?

"At his best, man is the noblest of all animals; separated from law and justice he is the worst."--Aristotle

[ Parent ]
It's probably longer than 22 miles .. (4.00 / 5)
Late Thursday, federal officials acknowledged the deepwater oil was not degrading as fast as they initially thought, but still was breaking down "relatively rapidly." Jane Lubchenco, chief of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, said agency scientists and others were "working furiously" to come up with actual rates of biodegradation.

She noted a bright spot from the slow breakdown of the oil: Faster would mean a big influx of oil-eating microbes. Though they are useful, they also use up oxygen, creating "dead zones" that already plague the Gulf in the summer. Dead zones are not forming because of the oil plume, Lubchenco said.

The underwater oil was measured close to BP's blown-out well, which is about 40 miles off the Louisiana coast. The plume started three miles from the well and extended more than 20 miles to the southwest. The oil droplets are odorless and too small to be seen by the human eye. If you swam through the plume, you wouldn't notice it.
[...]
The study conclusively shows that a plume exists, that it came from the BP well and that it probably never got close to the surface of the Gulf of Mexico, Camilli said. It is probably even larger than 22 miles long, but scientists had to stop measuring because of Hurricane Alex.




Where's the Note?    -- SEIU


[ Parent ]
Thanks Mu (4.00 / 3)

I was waiting for that headline --

Alert the Media!


oh wait, they moved on ...


Where's the Note?    -- SEIU


[ Parent ]
Hold up there Nellie... (4.00 / 3)
There is a lot of controversy about when this sample was taken and the amount it represents.

It seems some of the MSM was not clear in mentioning that the samples were taken way back in early June, not recently.  Also, there's a long thread on TOD regarding the amount/amounts in the plume/plumes.

TOD has a long comment thread on the math, numbers amounts which begins
here with Doug in LA:

Just found this article about the underwater oil plumes.

http://online.wsj.com/article/...

Edit: Just noticed that the date on the pictures were from June 1st...

...and continues for about a 100 entry thread.  But you can skim or get the basic gist in the first dozen or so.



Breathe in emptiness and luminosity.  Breathe out compassion.


[ Parent ]
Here's the AP story... (4.00 / 3)
...as given in the

Atlantic Journal

Breathe in emptiness and luminosity.  Breathe out compassion.


[ Parent ]
Just passing on information as it came in. Not all of the reports have been "peer reviewed." (4.00 / 3)
.
 Just passing it on as it becomes available and I see it.

 Good points you make, certainly.

.
   

"I'm a reasonable guy, but I've just experienced some very unreasonable things."  Jack Burton.


[ Parent ]
Thanks Mu... (4.00 / 2)
...we can't keep up with all the pieces, especially when things are as devious as this slimey situation is.

Breathe in emptiness and luminosity.  Breathe out compassion.

[ Parent ]
Gom FisherOnes fight back... (4.00 / 7)

Note the 3 demands the fisherfolks have:

 1) Stop the use of dispersants immediately.
 2) Keep fishing grounds closed until updated tests prove
    the seafood is safe.
 3) Give local commercial fishermen short and long term
    jobs starting immediately.

Breathe in emptiness and luminosity.  Breathe out compassion.


It's almost all gone. And I know where it went: (4.00 / 3)
People are pumping the gulf right into their suvs.

Better fill up while you can.  


Just received some news (0.00 / 0)
from Earthjustice.

Just today, university scientists presented findings that challenge EPA's positive take on things. As the St. Petersburg Times reports:

The oil from the Deepwater Horizon disaster is still in the Gulf of Mexico and is causing ecological damage, according to new findings from the University of South Florida...the oil has become toxic to critical marine organisms.

The Florida study also spotlights the unprecedented use of nearly 2 million gallons of dispersants. Toxic in their own right, the dispersants are also part of the ecological havoc, the findings suggest. . . . .

Be sure to visit Earthjustice's link for more information and articles -- they ARE on it!

"At his best, man is the noblest of all animals; separated from law and justice he is the worst."--Aristotle


 

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