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Wait....you lost WHOSE seat???? (4.00 / 13)


Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!

. (4.00 / 2)


Chaotic Neutral, Drinker of Milkshakes

Pinche Tejano

[ Parent ]
Thanks pinche... (4.00 / 2)
...Untergang, The Downfall, about Hitler's last days is a very significant depiction of how leaders delude themselves.

Hitler's General's eyes roll back in their heads as he orders them to do things like send the 7th army to the eastern edge of Berlin.  The Generals know the 7th army consists only of a couple of hundred troops by now, but they also know there is no way to tell this to Hitler.  He won't hear it.

I think I'll go rent the DVD on this and watch it again.  

Breathe in emptiness and luminosity.  Breathe out compassion.

[ Parent ]
savin' my nickels and dimes for (4.00 / 1)
Blue Bijou

and Ron Paul

[ Parent ]
Ron Paul will not be running in 2012. (0.00 / 0)


Chaotic Neutral, Drinker of Milkshakes

Pinche Tejano

[ Parent ]
Ron Paul just takes all his donations and give to wingnuts, anyway (4.00 / 3)
.... he's a tool of the Republican Party.  Just like Sarah Palin.  If he was sincerely anti war, he'd give his unused leftovers to liberal anti war Democrats instead of people like Tom McClintock, another one of these draft dodging, swiftboating chickenhawks too cowardly to admit they get their jollies over having the military do their bidding.
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Excuse me, he did not. (0.00 / 0)
Quit talking out your ass, you are embarrassing yourself.

If you discount how his message of personal liberty ignited passionate followers from the left, right, middle, the up and the down, you, and what ever political thought you follow, are a lost cause.

Ron Paul stopped the neoconservative movement, what have you done for this republic?

Thought so.  

Chaotic Neutral, Drinker of Milkshakes

Pinche Tejano

[ Parent ]
Pinche, we know you are passionate (0.00 / 0)
about this but, please try to leave the ad hominom attacks out of the comments. Thanks

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"
[ Parent ]
Sure, when they stop the ad hominom lies on Ron Paul, (0.00 / 0)
I'll quit pointing out their stupidity.  

Chaotic Neutral, Drinker of Milkshakes

Pinche Tejano

[ Parent ]
So refute the lies (0.00 / 0)
without the personal invective. Your argument will be more effective.

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"
[ Parent ]
Ron Paul (0.00 / 0)
is not for personal liberty. If he were, he'd be pro choice.  He's for corporate liberty, is all.  


i love the smell of bipartisanship in the morning...
smells like...fucktory. -bubanomics
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This is why I quit coming to the commune. (0.00 / 0)
You have been programmed by corporate elites to believe the silliest of things in the name of pwogress!

You sir, are a Dada Lemming, not even realizing you are lemming, but in a very artistic fashion.

If you look at Ron Paul's reason for your issue with him, it is because he said it should have come from the legislative branch or as an amendment to the Constitution.

You know, as our constitutional republic requires?

You don't care, you just need your 2 minutes of hate on someone the corporate media has defined as your "opposite".

Corporate liberty, for fucks sake. Are you serious?

Chaotic Neutral, Drinker of Milkshakes

Pinche Tejano

[ Parent ]
LOL! (0.00 / 0)
Corporatist shill though I am, I freaking VOTED for him for president last time he ran for the office.    

After your classy rejoinder, I say take his dick out of your ass and listen to what he says and you may find that he is a Republican, not a Libertarian.  He appeared on stage with Michele F. Bachmann.  And nobody thought it was weird.  Why?  Because they're both Teabagging Republicans.  

And Libertarians aren't really for individual freedom, only corporate freedom.  I finally read Atlas Shrugged.  Which is why I now consider myself an anarcho-syndicalist.  


i love the smell of bipartisanship in the morning...
smells like...fucktory. -bubanomics

[ Parent ]
Tool of the Republican Party? This is false (0.00 / 0)
See Chris Bowers' article,

Talk Me Down from Contributing to Rand Paul's Campaign

Republican in Congress-- except for Rodney Alexander who was a Democrat until mid-2004 (Ralph Hall, third among Republicans who vote with progressives, was a Democrat until 1995). With a lifetime progressive crucial votes ranking of 23.50%, Paul even leaves supposed Republican moderates like Mike Castle (15.40%) and Mark Kirk (10.30%) in the dust. Paul towers over life-long Republicans when it comes to voting with Democrats.
(emphasis mine)

for a FULL COURT PRESS
DemocracyABC.org
[ Parent ]
Caption: "I can't believe we accidentially the whole mandate." (4.00 / 9)


Chaotic Neutral, Drinker of Milkshakes

Pinche Tejano

Well jeeze.... (4.00 / 7)
Ooops!!! Fuck!
Good (4.00 / 3)
A momentary pause in the completion of the totalitarian oppression of humanity everywhere at the hands of the third anti-christ.

Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what your country can do to you.
Wasn't that the runner-up in the Jello jingle contest! (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
Harry Reid (4.00 / 8)
"The people made it clear they want more bipartisanship."  Idiots!
The people want a steamroller (4.00 / 1)
And they don't give a shit which party you belong to. Get the fuck out of the way!

"Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own." Robert Hunter
[ Parent ]
Can you hear us now? (4.00 / 10)

Because Verizon sold you my phone records.... n/t (4.00 / 3)

[ Parent ]
Dropping in ... (4.00 / 11)
... more from one of my fave posters at Orange, bruh1 -- his diary is good, but it's in the comments that he shines, imo.

Then I agree, but the problem still remains the (2+ / 0-)
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folks around who see the problem as "messaging"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/...

As I have stated before, I am not just aware about the problems of this country, but I am starting to realize the problem is also those peo who consider themselves "progressive" and that they are enablers.

The idea that this is a matter of  'messaging" rather than bad policies is stunning to me. They just don't get it. They don't want to look in the mirror, and I don't think they ever will.

I think that diarist represents far more the norm of the base than I. That the problem is not messaging. The problem is governing.

(emphasis mine)

This comment also hits the nail on the head as well (and also shows that political discourse can be had every now and then without supreme idiocy ruling, lol).

bruh is right and wrong (4.00 / 8)
The problem IS messaging. However, the reason there is shitty messaging is because the subject of the messaging (the policy) is even shittier.  
[ Parent ]
asdf (4.00 / 2)
As he says elsewhere, good governing will create good messaging, whereas the Obamacrats and party hardliners will focus only upon the messaging and ignore real governing.

I guess we're agreeing here, but I think the distinction as to priorities is an important one - especially when arguing with the cheerleaders who are enabling these bad policies to be supported.

[ Parent ]
Yes, I think we are agreeing (4.00 / 3)
It is important to remember that democrats are terrible at messaging, even with good policy. In this environment, with pathetic policy, the messaging problem is unsolvable.  
[ Parent ]
Bullshit. (4.00 / 1)
http://news.google.com/news/se...

26 hits for the campaign messaging on Google news? Scott Brown's campaign manger gets 30,000 btw.

And Coakley said Bloody Sock himself, Schilling, was a fucking Yankee! A Yankee!

And then said she was to good to stand in front of Fenway to shake hands.

Then she took a fucking 10 day vacation in the middle of a 72 day short election cycle.

No, there is message fail all over her campaign.

Sure, the policy execution was horrific, but if you campaign like that, not even Jesus could get elected dog catcher in Kansas.

Chaotic Neutral, Drinker of Milkshakes

Pinche Tejano

[ Parent ]
y'know, pinche tejano (4.00 / 2)
imo focusing on the praxis of the campaigning is to misplace the focus.  Becoming a representative of the people has become an exercise in marketing -- more of our commodified, consumption driven culture.  Doesn't bother me that Coakley failed to properly spank the brand.  More concerned about the product than the success of the advertising campaign.  

Rahm and company want to rejigger the advertising campaign.  imo that's not where the problem lies.

[ Parent ]
True... (4.00 / 3)
...keep your eye upon the donut and not upon the hole.

Breathe in emptiness and luminosity.  Breathe out compassion.
[ Parent ]
Oh Oh, governoring? (4.00 / 2)
People haven't governed in this country since Clinton. We've been in constant campaign mode since 1999, shit has yet to stop.

There are no more civics anymore, only politics.

There is nothing that the Democrats won't fuck up and blame on the Republicans. When Republicans fuck up, they just smile and say, so what?

Neither party governors, they are just peddlers for the corporate oligarchy, lackeys for the elite, salesmen for the message of the new blue bloods, selling their product like snake oil and honey for your ears.

The product they are selling is you.


Chaotic Neutral, Drinker of Milkshakes

Pinche Tejano

[ Parent ]
Wasn't talking about ... (0.00 / 0)
... Coakley.  Was talking about the Dem party generally.

Sure, her campaign was awful beyond belief ... you'd almost have to TRY to be so awful.

[ Parent ]
see you in 2010 (4.00 / 9)
suckers

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Lucy and the football (4.00 / 4)
New logo of the Democratic party!
[ Parent ]
Ya know, Rahm... (4.00 / 9)
...we gotta find a better way to con the electorate into believing what we are giving them is the change they really do want.  Back to the drawing boards.

Breathe in emptiness and luminosity.  Breathe out compassion.
It's time for (4.00 / 9)
"More and Better Lies"











[ Parent ]
We're gonna need a bigger boat! (4.00 / 4)

[ Parent ]
Epic Fail. (4.00 / 6)

He-larious! (4.00 / 2)


Breathe in emptiness and luminosity.  Breathe out compassion.
[ Parent ]
Play That Funky Music,... (4.00 / 1)
...white boy!

Breathe in emptiness and luminosity.  Breathe out compassion.
[ Parent ]
honestly, how can you not know (4.00 / 9)
that what plays in a deep recession is a message of economic populism, "progressive" "New Deal" messaging, as opposed to neo-corporatism? How can not know that?
I know ... (4.00 / 9)
... this is paranoid, but I have to wonder if Obama even wants a Democratic majority.

Creeps me out.

[ Parent ]
I don't think so... (4.00 / 5)
I think they are just completely (politically) tone deaf.  
[ Parent ]
Sad to watch the Chicago machine try and run the country. (4.00 / 6)
And they thought the Texas boys were incompetent!

That's the funniest part.

Chaotic Neutral, Drinker of Milkshakes

Pinche Tejano

[ Parent ]
Tea Baggers= Return of the Texas Boys (0.00 / 0)
....  the Dynamic Duo thought they could placate them with some off shore drilling, not realizing that the beast cannot be placated because they meant OFF shore like in Off this Continent, accompanied by an expanded, permanent occupational mercenary army. One that wants more and more money. You can't print it up fast enough for them, they want it in gold.

Very medieval of them.

[ Parent ]
Tea Baggers happened because the Campaign for Liberty (4.00 / 1)
refused to go crazy.

It's actually an invention of the Midwest, not Texas.

Keep on drooling on the keyboard and writing missives to ether, you might say something based on logic and reason soon.  

Chaotic Neutral, Drinker of Milkshakes

Pinche Tejano

[ Parent ]
David Koch, a billionaire (0.00 / 0)
is one of the main supporters. He lives in NYC

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"
[ Parent ]
Whatever keeps the corporate cash flowing. (4.00 / 3)
Election results are secondary.
[ Parent ]
burn. (4.00 / 1)

[ Parent ]
Good point... (4.00 / 4)
...It does appear that a real democracy is at the bottom of Obama's list of concerns.

Breathe in emptiness and luminosity.  Breathe out compassion.
[ Parent ]
he certainly acts as if he doesn't (4.00 / 5)
He right away wanted to institute Republican-style policies.

Clearly he's a beard in this con-game that is going on. It is hard to believe that we were that fooled but I'm afraid we were. Now, is it possible that Obama actually believes that he's honest and above-board? Yes, it is. People will actually believe they are doing the "right" thing when another part of their personality knows they are bullshitting. It's happened to me -- I've done it and I think most people do it to an extent but don't like to face that fact -- particularly in America where hypocrisy, fantasy, and the love of the con is in our mother's milk.

[ Parent ]
beginning to suspect Obama is as 'in charge' of (4.00 / 3)
his presidency as Bush was vis a vis Cheney.

Sure would like to see Obama break free of the influence of the depicted dynamic duo (and their associated lobby-groupies).

[ Parent ]
Well ... (4.00 / 3)
... the atmosphere is sure ripe for suspicion.

Argh.

[ Parent ]
in the immortal words of Bill the Clinton (4.00 / 3)
I feel your argh.
[ Parent ]
I think he's "in charge" enough (4.00 / 3)
and he believes what he is selling, to an extent.

But he's tone deaf. Geithner? Bernanke? They should have been long gone by now.  

[ Parent ]
G & B should never... (4.00 / 4)
...have been in -- in the first place.

Breathe in emptiness and luminosity.  Breathe out compassion.
[ Parent ]
Clintonian triangulation works a lot better... (4.00 / 4)
when the Goopers control Congress.
[ Parent ]
???~~?? (4.00 / 1)


Breathe in emptiness and luminosity.  Breathe out compassion.
[ Parent ]
What? (4.00 / 1)
I say something wrong?
[ Parent ]
Maybe I'm a little dense today... (4.00 / 1)
...but I can't see that triangulation ever works!  ~??~

Breathe in emptiness and luminosity.  Breathe out compassion.
[ Parent ]
It doesn't work for us. (4.00 / 2)
But it sure works for the DLC's corporate sponsors.
[ Parent ]
I get it now... (4.00 / 2)
...you were speaking with the forked tongue of irony!

Breathe in emptiness and luminosity.  Breathe out compassion.
[ Parent ]
That's what I was thinking. nt (4.00 / 1)

[ Parent ]
So is Rahm. (0.00 / 0)

[ Parent ]
'trow dees bums out, Obama (4.00 / 2)
gawddamitt, it's YOUR presidency, your White House, not Rahm's or Axelrod's.  
Show them the door.  Clean house.  bye bye Rahm and your foul mouth and your little dog too; bring back Jeremiah Wright.

Somebody find a video of Frank Sinatra:
I did it my way!

Somebody better stop Harry (4.00 / 4)
before he hurts himself doing cartwheels down Constitution Avenue.


Well, Stanley, (4.00 / 3)
this is another nice mess you've gotten us into!


the next week or two (4.00 / 3)
is probably going to decide the fate of this prez and therefore the planet as I believe if O doesn't reverse course the damage will be too great to the Dems to recover in time to save a damn thing for at least a decade.

i am being conservative in this statement.  

prolly, the rest of my lifetime which also will prolly be foreshortened by the multiple crises we are going to live through.

forget about the health care bill, now we have to endure the rise of the far right, again, re-energized.

i could not have predicted this much devastation if i had dredged it from the most negative part of my cassandra self.

obama is not one tenth as smart as certain people think.

not. one. tenth.



Change we can believe in = chump change.

I like to think it's not so much Obama as (4.00 / 1)
the people who got him where he is, and stuck around to munch on the cookies.
now that the treats have gone stale, look for those depicted in this essay to jump ship at the first opportunity -- Rahm already has his finger out, on the way to testing which way the wind is blowing....
[ Parent ]
red neckties. fascinating. nt (4.00 / 4)

They both (4.00 / 3)
wear orangy ties! Are they sending a message...hmmm?

They both look like they were send to the principals office.

FTFY (0.00 / 0)
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