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Obama Punked By Congress

  

by: buhdydharma

Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 11:51:26 PST


"I want a Public Option," President Obama says.

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"Fuck you, if you wanted it you should have done something about it, punk," Congress replies.

Funny how perhaps the most popular Dem Pres since Kennedy can't get what he wants on what was supposed to be THE signature legislation of his administration. Why it is almost as if he didn't even try!

buhdydharma :: Obama Punked By Congress
Drat! Perhaps he is not a savior after all. Perhaps he doesn't play chess, let alone 11th dimensional chess. Perhaps, despite the guarantees by the fan boyz and girlz who have insisted that he has "GOT THIS" he doesn't got it at all, or perhaps, he just doesn't get it. He sure didn't get what he...and all his supporters who were SO sure that Obama would fix everything if we just laid off of him and gave him time....said he wanted.

Maybe if had actually, ya know, FOUGHT for what he said he wanted....

So let the Spin Begin! Let the excuses flow like wine in the corporate boardrooms as the Insurance Corporations celebrate. Let a thousand rationalizations and justifications bloom in the Halls of Naranjistan....as the American people take it up the ass and the Ruling Class giggles at the naivete of the poor suckers who actually trusted that glossy photos, snappy slogans and cynical promises of Hope would be enough to win the day against their entrenched corruption. As Obama stood on the sidelines of this battle for something, ya know....pretty FUCKING important. The health of the American People. And a vital battle for the end of the Corporate Rule of America.

He's Got this, alright. He's got it right where it hurts....

US

Of course as the Dems continue their decade long tradition of capitulation, corruption and bald faced bribery in the guise of 'campaign contributions,' we have no idea what the fuck we just got. Because they also continued their tradition of selling out and caving to their Corporate Masters in the backroom, out of the spotlight. But surprise you bastards, there ARE no backrooms anymore. EVERYONE sees what you just did.  Though of course most people will but the okeydoke, fall for the spin, float blissfully on the river denial and Hope that this Change is for the better. Because Obama is president now, so everything is copacetic and y'all should just continue to STFU as you are getting assaulted, ok? We wouldn't want to rock the boat....when it is sinking so well on its own.

After all, what choice do they have, when they are powerless in the face of corrupt DC politics? what choice did Obama have? We are helpless! we are powerless! And so is the guy who promised he would Change all of this, but that promise doesn't count, because even though he promised us he would make a difference...he has no power to make a difference over Congress and the Lobbyists! He is just as helpless ....and thus blameless....as we are!!!

Sit down, STFU, eat your shit sandwich and like it.

But for Gods sake, don't make a fuss! If we make a fuss the terrorists Republicans will win! If you pressure Obama to fight harder to fulfill his promise of Change...it might hurt his feelings!

If you flex your power as citizens through Internet access, people might think you are RUDE! If they think you are Loud and Rude they will ignore you!

And then where will we be?

If you pressure and criticize president Obama, YOU will be responsible for fucking up HCR. You will make people not like President Obama! YOU will cost us the next election if YOU actually point out that this emperor too has no clothes! So yeah, STFU...at least til we can come up with some good rationalizations of how this was all part of Obama's master Plan.

There is only one problem.

We are NOT helpless.

We are not powerless.

We do not have to eat shit and like it.

We have the people, the smarts, the tools, and the voices to YELL LOUDER and make ourselves heard. IF we want to. IF there are not some among us who try to destroy Netroots Activism and People Power. IF we realize that the actual issues are FAR more important than whether we are loyal enough to Obama, or if we are "too harsh" in our criticisms as we apply the political pressure from the Left that can be the difference maker in future battles.

A Clue for those who put protecting the President from criticism above actually fighting for victory on the actual issues: get some fucking perspective.

It is hard and takes a long time to build a movement. It is easy and quick to destroy it, as the movement towards Citizen Activism has been destroyed by a few people at Daily Kos.....people who think that being Loud means you will be ignored...despite all evidence to the contrary, who think that POLITICS is about the feelings of one man. People who are willing to settle for a shit sandwich instead of real change...if that means someone might say something...mean...about their hero.

It is easy to destroy a movement. it is easy to stop change. It is easy to capitulate, in the name of some faux civility and comity and in the name of "protecting a president from his citizens. We have just watched it happening, as Activism has been chased off of Daily Kos in favor of pictures of the Presidents dog.

And this is the result. A few people who put being polite to the President above health care, above Afghanistan...above everything, have destroyed what could be one of the greatest forums for citizen activism in the history of politics. And in the process, they HELPED Congress punk Obama, by silencing the hundreds of thousands of phone calls that COULD have been made. IF they didn;t attack, smear and hound the folks who were willing to stand up and Yell Louder for the Change that they SAY they want...but are unwilling to work for.

STFU, you say, Obama has Got This.

Well now you can see EXACTLY where that leads.

No, the Obamabots are not SOLELY to blame for this debacle, but they sure as hell contributed to it by neutering the activist tool that Daily Kos could be. IF the actual issues were more important to them than "supporting" a president that just got punked because he....like them...is too afraid or too whatever to Stand Up And Fight.

Because we are NOT helpless, not unless we allow ourselves to be, not in point of fact UNLESS we STFU and don;t make our voices heard.

And whether that was what they intended ot not...that is EXACTLY what the Obama "supporters" accomplished in chasing off or beating down all of the actists on Daily Kos.

Good job guys. I can't WAIT to hear how you spin this into a victory for Obama! I have always enjoyed creative writing.

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Those of us who are not as naive and trusting of the Government (4.00 / 25)
as these 'supporters" seem to be saw this shit coming the whole way.

That is EXACTLY why we were working so hard and Yelling so Loud to prevent it.

Until we got shouted own.

By people who seem to think that protecting Obama is FAR more important than actually GETTING SHIT DONE.

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Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


Did BHO actually say... (4.00 / 5)
...that?  Did he really say, "I want a Public Option"?

If so, I missed it.  Please tell me if he really said this and where.  Thanks.

Breathe in emptiness and luminosity.  Breathe out compassion.


[ Parent ]
He said it while campaigning (4.00 / 6)
I'll try to look it up for you, but I'll probably never get around to it.   But I sure have seen it.  

"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." -- Rahm Emanuel

[ Parent ]
LOL... (4.00 / 3)
He said a lot things while campaigning

Like...having open government, being against Wiretapping, bringing 1-2 brigades home from Iraq per month, "opposing" NAFTA, wanting to "end the mindset that got us into Iraq" (then appointing Bush's defence secretary and promoting Torture Generals), etc., etc.




"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold, is for
people of good conscience to remain silent."
    --Thomas Jefferson


[ Parent ]
Try this (4.00 / 1)
From the title and description of this compilation I believe the editor is a wing-nut, but I appreciate the effort anyway! The first half is Obama clips.



It has yet to be proven that intelligence has any survival value.
    - Arthur C. Clarke


[ Parent ]
Yup (4.00 / 10)
But put it this way for the context of the essay.

There was a period after August where critics said he didn't want it. The "supporters" insisted he did. Then when he did HIS Town Halls he always included language supporting it in his speeches. (after the Sebelius "sliver" kerfuffle explicitly)

So the "supporters" then insisted that this was proof that he 'wanted it.'

So they are wrong either way. Either they are wrong about him wanting it, or they are wrong stating STFU, He's Got This.

Like I said, I want to see them spin their way out of this and make it into a victory.

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
Shorter version (4.00 / 14)
Obama says something vague and noncommittal, it's interpreted whichever way works for the moment, and then you have a basis for saying he won whatever the result actually was in the end.

In other words, he's a politician.  


[ Parent ]
Bizingo (4.00 / 7)


Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
Bizingo-ness as usual. n/t (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
Put it this way (4.00 / 3)
Did he say he was getting us out of Afghanistan?  


i love the smell of bipartisanship in the morning...
smells like...fucktory. -bubanomics


[ Parent ]
No... but what he did say was (0.00 / 0)
in April 2008 in an op-ed in the New York Times

As president, I would pursue a new strategy, and begin by providing at least two additional combat brigades to support our effort in Afghanistan.


[ Parent ]
Sorry guys... (4.00 / 2)
...I miss-read buhdy's opening statement:

"I want a Public Option," President Obama says.

I guess the present tense verb led me to assume he just "said" this to CHAss from this the latest Congressional outrage, as if he were trying to pretend now, after the fact, that he wanted a public option.

I know he said he supported a PO during the campaign, but then, he did say a lot of things didn't he?  Anyone keeping score?

Breathe in emptiness and luminosity.  Breathe out compassion.


[ Parent ]
He said it but he didn't mean it (4.00 / 3)
Its lip service, smoke, mirrors, kabuki, bullshit, lies, spin, oh hell, I'm out of adjectives and nouns.

He is an R just trying to keep us placated.

Visit me @ The Wild Wild Left! Crossposting is good for us all!


[ Parent ]
most importantly (4.00 / 2)
he did not give emphasize the facts about our HC system. Particularly (as I repeat over and over again) the fact we spend twice what everybody else in the world spends and get worse outcomes without covering everyone. And, here's the thing, there is no possible rebuttal to the facts. No one has ever rebutted it. But if 85% of the American people have no idea how well health care works in most of the rest of the world then you can have the utterly ridiculous arguments that are engaged in pro and con. The sad part is that you have so called educated pundits on the left never mentioning these facts. They can only couch things in WCW speak where the wheel must always be re-invented only it can't be round.

[ Parent ]
I'd say the headline should be more like . . . (4.00 / 6)
"American People Punked by Obama AND Congress."  And, oh, yeah, the insurance industry.  The three entities working hand in hand, or maybe "finger in finger" conveys it better.

If Obama has ever said "I want a public option" during the year 2009, he has never said it loud enough for anyone to hear it.  I think the last time he ever said anything like that clearly and unambiguously was during 2007.  Just before corporate America started financing his primary campaigns.  Hmmmm.


[ Parent ]
Sweet nothings (4.00 / 6)
whispered in your ear to get you aroused for the "ONE".

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"

[ Parent ]
well, i will say this for him... (4.00 / 10)


Good point (4.00 / 8)
Bush couldn't have gotten away with this and had supposed "democrats" cheering...

[ Parent ]
I'm sooooo socializing that (4.00 / 9)
And that is good enough for the cheerleaders.

Washington was right, political parties are a BAD idea. I don't care WHO is in charge as long as they make life better for average working class Americans. Unfortunately BOTH parties are against the proles in the class war.

When Moderate Dems and the tea baggers figure that out it will be much better for all of us

The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?' - 1984


[ Parent ]
Barely (4.00 / 9)


"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"

[ Parent ]
asdf (4.00 / 5)
i'll take Sotomayor as a win.  
i'll take Lily Ledbetter as a win.
i'll take making the rightee wingnuts collectively stroke out as a win.

but, yeah, it seems pretty thin.  I guess I'm just one of those impatient haters who's not truly progressive (and has no ability for 11 dimensional chess).


[ Parent ]
Torture, war crimes (4.00 / 8)
I can go on

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"

[ Parent ]
indeed. (4.00 / 4)
and i cannot.  indeed.

[ Parent ]
Sotomayor was not a win in my opinion... (4.00 / 8)
We needed a young full throated liberal to counteract the extremist right wing poison that currently occupies the bench.  We got a moderate with some past disturbing pro-business affinities.

Ní neart go cur le chéile

[ Parent ]
asdf (4.00 / 2)
standards creep.  what can i say.  i want a win so badly after 8 years of duh huh hubya.

[ Parent ]
that (4.00 / 7)
was MY "last straw"... when he appointed her, a moderate, (latina woman!! YIPPIE) over a true progressive choice, who would NOT be the better "political" move. meh.

"When you realize how perfect everything is you will tilt your head back and laugh at the sky" Buddha

[ Parent ]
I mean for god's sake.... (4.00 / 7)
John Roberts is going to be cheif justice for at least...at least thirty freakin years.

Ní neart go cur le chéile

[ Parent ]
But but but she's a woman! And Latina! (4.00 / 7)
Just like Barack is black!

So he's gotta be progressive!



"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." -- Rahm Emanuel


[ Parent ]
funny how nobody ever said that about Condi (0.00 / 0)


"We are in the Age of Shiva, an age of death and rebirth. If we only focus on what is past we feel loss. If we focus on new beginnings we feel anticipation, like looking forward to a new day without knowing quite what the weather is going to be like."

[ Parent ]
Also, adding a sixth Catholic to a Supreme Court (0.00 / 0)
… that already had five Catholics was perhaps not the best idea in an era where the separation of church and state is under continual assault from a coalition of religious organizations that includes the Catholic Church.

[ Parent ]
That's like saying... (4.00 / 3)


At least vomit isn't shit.

Neither one smell very good...


"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold, is for
people of good conscience to remain silent."
    --Thomas Jefferson


[ Parent ]
It's incredible... (4.00 / 13)
They're even telling themselves (in the first comment) that Kos' post this morning was "snark".

These people are even more delusional than wingnuts were. Unless they are wingnuts who have had 9 years of practice at delusion.


actually (4.00 / 3)
I read that one different.  

"When you realize how perfect everything is you will tilt your head back and laugh at the sky" Buddha

[ Parent ]
at (4.00 / 4)
themself... s/he said very sarcasticly: "brilliant" then added, s/he meant it to be sarcastic, i.e. he did not agree or think kos' post was, in fact, brilliant at all.

never mind

"When you realize how perfect everything is you will tilt your head back and laugh at the sky" Buddha


[ Parent ]
Ok ;-) (4.00 / 4)
I think you and I meant the same thing, no? - that they think kos is wrong there.... iow, his post MUST must be snark since he "being" dKos and they being "kossacks" he MUST agree with them that Obama is not to be criticized....

My head hurts.


[ Parent ]
Here's our problem in a nutshell (4.00 / 11)
We have the people, the smarts, the tools, and the voices to YELL LOUDER and make ourselves heard.

It's not a matter of how loud we yell, it's a question of what we do.  They've got lots of earmuffs.  But their nether regions are less protected.  So many of them are re-elected without a primary challenge.  They hate primary challenges, "waste of resources, grumble, grumble, grumble."

That's why I'm proposing the modest tactic of the Full Court Press:  run candidates with a single, broad progressive agenda in 435 Democratic primaries.  (http://www.docudharma.com/diary/17796/full-court-press-what-the-openleft-brouhaha-was-about) Don't necessarily run to win, lots of groups do this targeted winning stuff, and look where we are.  Just get on the ballot.  A few candidates here and there, no big deal.  435 candidates, national impact.

"I don't mind if you don't like my manners, I don't like them myself. They are pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings." -- Marlowe


A link fix (4.00 / 6)
I hate HTML but I'm getting better at using it

full-court-press-what-the-openleft-brouhaha-was-about

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"


[ Parent ]
thanks (4.00 / 3)


"I don't mind if you don't like my manners, I don't like them myself. They are pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings." -- Marlowe

[ Parent ]
Time to primary him with someone else (4.00 / 8)
Who?   I dunno.

But unless we want 7 more years of this bullshit, we need to get on it.



"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." -- Rahm Emanuel


not against primarying Obama (4.00 / 3)
but House races are more accessible to those of us outside the corridors of power.

"I don't mind if you don't like my manners, I don't like them myself. They are pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings." -- Marlowe

[ Parent ]
Yes (4.00 / 4)
We need to work harder to find REAL progressive Democrats willing to stand up to the corporatists that have infested the Democratic Party.  

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"

[ Parent ]
here's the essence of the Full Court Press (4.00 / 1)
We need to work harder to find REAL progressive Democrats

Most of the time, when I hear this, it translates into finding a few semi-established Democrats to run, and then running to win.  Fact is, the more famous you are, the more credentials you have, the more embedded in the Democratic Party structure you likely are.

The Full Court Press stands this on its head.  In the extreme, it means finding 435 "nobodies" to file in the congressional primaries.  It sacrifices playing hard for a few seats (and ultimately surrendering some principle) in exchange for running lightly in 435 around a stronger agenda.  The impact is in the numbers.  And this approach is accessible to anyone.  The numbers of signatures or filing fees are not exorbitant (varies from state to state).  You don't have to be famous.

This does not preclude winning a few seats if opportunities arise.  But it does not DEPEND on that.

"I don't mind if you don't like my manners, I don't like them myself. They are pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings." -- Marlowe


[ Parent ]
I've read this before (4.00 / 3)
Have you posted that before?

Seriously, i'm either having a deja vu (entirely possible) or I've read that word for word before.

There's nothing wrong with that, I'm just curious.    

"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." -- Rahm Emanuel


[ Parent ]
No. (4.00 / 2)
I have made similar arguments before, but this is quite different, I think.

"I don't mind if you don't like my manners, I don't like them myself. They are pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings." -- Marlowe

[ Parent ]
Musta been a deja vu! (4.00 / 2)
I'm a bit out of it today.  Worked till 4 a.m. and got almost no sleep.  :)

"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." -- Rahm Emanuel

[ Parent ]
NY-13 (4.00 / 3)
This last election in NY-13 put a blue dog, Michael McMahon, in the seat of Republican Bush apologist puppet, Vito Fossella. In November, we defeated his hand picked puppet to the city council seat in NYC with a progressive, black woman, Debi Rose, who was supported by the Working Families Party. She is in line to challenge McMahon in the primaries next year. She is wildly popular in the heavily progresive, Democratic area of Staten Island which id the last bastion of conservatism in NYC. We ARE the grass roots and working one candidate at a time.

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"

[ Parent ]
Do both! Do all of it! (4.00 / 2)
But get Obama the fuck out of there.  

The only power we have is to primary him!

That's what people don't get.   You have to use whatever power we have, and we have almost zero but we CAN primary him.

"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." -- Rahm Emanuel


[ Parent ]
Sign Jane's petition! (4.00 / 12)
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.c...

"Mientras el trabajo sea una comodidad, un mecanismo de extracción de plusvalía y un arma de alienación, el sistema y sus miserias sobrevivirán."  -Peter McLaren

Thanks Cass, I will put it in the essay (4.00 / 6)


Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
Another one (4.00 / 8)
Petition: We Need Progressive Senators To Fight

Sign it.

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"


[ Parent ]
Signed & signed... (4.00 / 5)
...cass & TMC!  Wrote an angry message also.

Breathe in emptiness and luminosity.  Breathe out compassion.

[ Parent ]
Angry messages in both (4.00 / 5)
I am so done with holding back. I said it loud and clear that this bill is a hand out to the corporate insurance industry and if it passes it should be vetoed. If wishes were horses beggars would ride.

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"

[ Parent ]
The most important thing (4.00 / 15)
is that Joe Lieberman is happy about this compromise, so it must be plenty patriotic.

 


wow. i'll have to change my opinion now. (4.00 / 8)
it's even worse than i thought.

[ Parent ]
And, best of all, it's TRI-partisan! (4.00 / 4)
: (

[ Parent ]
Well here is the thing... (4.00 / 11)
The left was fucked either way at dkos...

No matter how shitty this bill turns out to be there will be many posters who claim a victory for Obama whether it hurts people or not.  But we all already knew that.

What I began to realize a few weeks ago is that even if this bill sucks so fucking much that it is obvious to even the Obama/party loyalists then it would still be our fault.  Not for just the most common "it's your fault for criticising the president and knocking him down" (amongst other things that would require a delusion that Obama actually gives a fuck what Dkos says) but also for another reason.  How many times at Dkos have you seen loyalists claim that it will be the fault of the "citizen" for not trying hard enough or being responsible for electing the current oafish crop of dems we have?  The much ballyhooed "make him do it" fraudulent rhetoric.

I came to realize that this blame would immediately be transferred to the left contingent upon a destructive HCR defeat.  It sounds paradoxical but I promise you it
will happen.

Once the loyalists finally realize how fucked up this loss is they will blame the left for A) Complaining about how much this bill sucks and how it is reform in name only. B) For undercutting the president by criticising him and thus contributing to this defeat...and also C)For whining about the failure of people WE elected.

This allows them to NEVER accept responsibility for doing NOTHING to break up Obamas pathetic continual compromise and capitulation on HCR.  It allows them to always kick around the left of the party, the people they love to hate but always come crawling back to when it is election time, time for action, or time to donate.

Ní neart go cur le chéile


Sounds (4.00 / 4)
all too familiar

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"

[ Parent ]
I wrote letters, knocked on doors ect ect.... (4.00 / 3)
but that was never going to matter without leadership from the white house...
And it should have been clear to everyone over at DKos that this president wasn't going to do a god damn thing unless he faced a real revolt from the entire progressive movement.  But, they felt protecting him from criticism like a hurt schoolboy was more important.  Thus we had a minor stir only...one that allowed Obama to continue to ignore the left of the party in favor of at best not doing anything and at worst of running right.

Ní neart go cur le chéile

[ Parent ]
Obama is not a progressive (4.00 / 8)
or a liberal. Never was. he lost me when he voted for FISA after he said he would filibuster the bill. I didn't vote for him. I'm now so not sorry for that vote.

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"

[ Parent ]
Well, I know that now... (4.00 / 5)
I started to suspect it after FISA and knew it after his appointments to... well....everything.

I do admit that I bought into the rhetoric. But I have been awake for a year so I guess that is what really matters.

I still believe if he had any fear of a massive progressive revolt over HCR things might have turned out differently....he has to be smart enough to know that he can't win in 2010 without them...

Or is he?

Maybe not.

Ní neart go cur le chéile


[ Parent ]
That and the bank bailout (4.00 / 4)
And then he mentioned "clean coal" in one of his major speeches.

I had to hope that once he got in there he would actually act to change.  I mean, you have to play the game just to get in there, right?

Then he appointed all those idiots.  And I thought ugh.   But let's see, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and HOPEFULLY he'll actually lead those idiots in the right direction.

Wrong.  Instead those idiots grabbed him by the nose and started leading HIM around.

Game over at that point.  

I don't know why it's taking everybody else so long to figure this shit out.



"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." -- Rahm Emanuel


[ Parent ]
He ahs consistently (4.00 / 3)
sided with corporative Wall St. He voted for TARP that was another negative in his column.

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"

[ Parent ]
This frontline doc was the nail in the coffin (4.00 / 3)
for me.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/...

If you can watch this and still think Obama represents something other than Wall Street, well, I can probably sell you the deed to your own planet.



"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." -- Rahm Emanuel


[ Parent ]
I don't own a planet (4.00 / 3)
or an island but I do have a sail boat that I'd like to keep. ;-) I saw that Frontline. I have followed the financial news for years. Krugman, Roubini and Stielglitz are my heroes and saviors from financial disaster.

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"

[ Parent ]
Don't worry, (4.00 / 5)
in the Copenhagen conference, if they do not come to blows, Obama will do what he does best: strut, bow and look suave and debonaire in front of foreign leaders, their spouses, and selected journalists; thus proving to all and sundry that the world LOVES America so.

Of course this doesn't translate into succor for the Americans, but what the heck, it's the playing of 33-dimensional Hopscotch.

But America is also the land of "unbegrenzte Möglichkeiten" for me, that is, the country with limitless possibilities. One of those is voting for the persons that best represents your interests. In Germany, the SPD ruled for some years, and people felt that the SPD had not fulfilled its promises, consequently, it suffered electoral defeats.

Meanwhile, the Linke (Left) grew and so, the panorama changes. There's nothing under the sun ordering that the Democratic Party should be the one in power, if it consists of such people.


The Good News - (4.00 / 4)
Obama FOR SURE will be a one term president.

The bad news, the next President will be a Republican, unless we defeat Obama in the primaries.

Kucinich 2012.

g.

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A Repubilcan with all of the Executive Powers (4.00 / 2)
That Bush seized and that Obama is NOT Changing.

And is in fact increasing On issues like suppressing FOIA and selectively prosecuting the detainees etc.

Though heck, Bush got reelected, so I am not betting the farm on one term by a long shot. The ppwer of incumbency is one of the true horrors that continue the System.

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
looks to me (4.00 / 7)
like, if Obama does get elected to a 2nd term, we do have a republican in 2012, i.e. Obama, the way he's been governing so far.

"When you realize how perfect everything is you will tilt your head back and laugh at the sky" Buddha

[ Parent ]
As one who was astounded that Bush got a 2nd term, (4.00 / 5)
I'm starting to feel I'll be equally astounded in 2012.  

[ Parent ]
I'm afraid you're right, and that's it. (4.00 / 4)
I really, really, don't see the Republicans--the official Republicans--coming back into power because people are unsatisfied with the Democrats for not being progressive enough.  It just doesn't make sense.  Some of the left will sit at home, but enough people will hold their noses and vote for Obama to squeak him by.  

Unless we primary the sonofabitch, and at the rate things are going, people should be plenty mad enough by 2012 to do it.  


[ Parent ]
Y'all obsess on DK too much (4.00 / 4)
If this place ever wants to go anywhere, we need to quit doing that.

I know, I jump into the conversations, too.  

I have no idea how to break away from being a stepchild of DK.  

But I really think it needs to happen.



"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." -- Rahm Emanuel


Yes (4.00 / 4)
but look what is going on here.. Take a good look

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"

[ Parent ]
That's funny but (4.00 / 2)
I don't get it.

I am looking there!

I can do several things at once you know!   :)  

"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." -- Rahm Emanuel


[ Parent ]
Look at the traffic here (4.00 / 4)
It is exactly because this place has become a haven for the progreessive left and not just from Dkos but now from Open Left and Chris Bowers

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"

[ Parent ]
Cool! (4.00 / 2)
Your link took me to the front page of this place, BTW.

I thought you were trying to tell me something in a "hint hint" sort of way.



"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." -- Rahm Emanuel


[ Parent ]
oops (0.00 / 0)
I hate HTML link

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"

[ Parent ]
Inevitable. (4.00 / 5)
Human nature.

But I gotta agree, ultimately.

Politics in the USA today is a box that I can no longer breathe in.  It's not even just Daily Kos or the Democratic Party, etc., etc.

We need to go global!

And we need to shake up our senses (I've been using Rimbaud's "derangement of the senses" poetic manifesto as an example) so we can decondition ourselves from this toxic culture.

And we also need a cookie!

Perhaps more than one.


[ Parent ]
I had cookies for breakfast (4.00 / 4)
Big chocolate chip cookies with my coffee.  For breakfast.  

I don't know why I'm telling you that.   It was an indulgence.  And I deserved it.  



"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." -- Rahm Emanuel


[ Parent ]
I promise ... (4.00 / 1)
... not to tell a soul!

;)


[ Parent ]
Heh (4.00 / 4)
I worked the graveyard shift for years and would come home in the AM and fire up the grill throe on a steak and baked potato and have a Margarita, go for a swim and drive my neighbors nuts. Chocolate cookies are a healthy breakfast in Dr.TMC's book. LOL

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"

[ Parent ]
Yeah I got home at 4 a.m. (4.00 / 4)
after 9 hours of working in shin-deep mud.   I couldn't sleep.   At all.    I was also very hungry.   Finally when I got out of bed I saw my wife had gone out and bought  ..... COOKIES.  

Yeah,  steak in the morning after a night of work sounds awesome.

I worked nights on a movie once, and when we wrapped the show we all started drinking.  Me and a friend ended up in a Denny's at about 9 a.m. drunk out of our minds from tequila.   This was years ago when I was still young.   The people in there must have thought we were terrible derelicts, but we'd just worked like an 18 hour day!



"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." -- Rahm Emanuel


[ Parent ]
Insomnia (4.00 / 2)
very familiar with that. My doc says it is part of my PTSD.  

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"

[ Parent ]
Heh, graveyard shift (4.00 / 2)
I worked graveyard for a couple years some years ago. There I'd be at 7am on the porch with a beer. Neighbors thought I was a goner at 23 years old.

One day I came home to find an AA Blue Book on my doorstep. LOL!

It has yet to be proven that intelligence has any survival value.
    - Arthur C. Clarke


[ Parent ]
Yeh, I got a couple of thise , too (4.00 / 2)
I did graveyard for 30 years. Loved it, but then, I'm a night person

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"

[ Parent ]
I'll get over itOr not. (4.00 / 4)


Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
ooops! Damn buttons! (4.00 / 6)
It is the unrealized potential for the use of that tool that drives me mad.

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
things seem to be picking up (4.00 / 4)
around here.

"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." -- Rahm Emanuel

[ Parent ]
Amen Inky -- we are building something far better here n/t (4.00 / 3)


[ Parent ]
The latest from Glenn Ford ... (4.00 / 9)
...at Black Agenda Report:

we turn to the subject of the legions of Obama-smitten activists that abandoned confrontation with Power for the past several years, for fear of harming their hero's presidential prospects. How wrong they were, as subsequent events have shown.

Will the Last "Progressive for Obama" Please Turn Out the Lights?

You can read it here .

Breathe in emptiness and luminosity.  Breathe out compassion.


Finally (4.00 / 4)
 rational voice from the black progressive community. Let us hope they will listen

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"

[ Parent ]
sigh (4.00 / 4)
I know I was angry this morning, I swear, but it faded or morphed or something. heh.

What do you guys want? Buhdy? others?  

Theres been some really energized discussion around here in the past 2 or 3 days. I think the bottom line is ... to each his/her own. But...

(A) do you want to take it back? dKos, the Go To Blog for progressive activism? or (B) give it up and create anew elsewhere?

I honestly think that there a a lot of people, at DK and also just floating out there somewhere, who today... feel the way this person wrote in this diary at narangilla. Sad, defeated, frustrated, duped, ashamed... and rudderless.

The "bots", the pack that has swarmed the place and tried to silence... us ... is a minority. A vocal one of course, but... I think that could be dealt with, in positive constructive ways, IF you want (A) above.

This Essay ... if you were to post this now at DK, buhdy, it'd go straight to the top, and it would serve only to fan the flame wars and further divide people, and of course, flush the bots out of their caves. Like a moth to a flame. The people like renee and theres a lot of them, would ... I dont know... shy away from it. People like me, before I took teh red pill, lol.

I have more to say but I have to think about it. Maybe Im just mostly full of shit.



"When you realize how perfect everything is you will tilt your head back and laugh at the sky" Buddha


forgot option (C) which is Both of course (4.00 / 4)
maybe Ill try to write it in an email, since Im mostly talking to buhdy here.

: re "bots" who are agents or plants or whatever, you know the ones... ignore/shun them, dont engage, and ...?;

:  target kossers who are allies, potential allies, and focus on motivating, activating those people;

: identify those people who are other natural leaders there, like you, and team up with them. Build alliances with them. Coalitioning.

:  engage meteor blades, involve him in the "peace process", and deal, negotiate, come up with win/win.

:  overall, focus on ACTION and see dKos only/mostly as a tool, nothing more nothing less. (Come here to play lol)

.

/kumbaya

"When you realize how perfect everything is you will tilt your head back and laugh at the sky" Buddha


[ Parent ]
and... (4.00 / 3)
start working on some of these other GREAT ideas that have been floating around here. i.e. this one from Bruce

Works for me.   (4.00 / 13)
Though it should not be about a single blog, it should be a collective ... each blog with a tab bar on the top that links to the front pages of the other blogs in the collective. Since they work on the basis of divide and conquer, it follows that one response is to answer with organization and solidarity.

Ideally we need seven, to ensure that even if one or two blog reps are missing from the weekly or biweekly collective reps meeting, there'll still be a cross section. Much more than seven and the tab turns into a blogroll.

by: BruceMcF @ Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 15:12:17 CST



"When you realize how perfect everything is you will tilt your head back and laugh at the sky" Buddha

[ Parent ]
It's pretty hard to get a politician to do anything if he gets paid for (4.00 / 7)
doing nothing (which is on top of his salary). So they work their asses off to get elected, and then kick back.
That in a nut shell was the election of 2008. I waited and waited and waited for Obama to set off the spark.

                     NOTHING  NADA

Clearly it cannot be about personalities. It must be issues only. And the people cannot be compromised because it is their government. True Democrats identify with, fight with, and connect with the people in an uncompromising way, because it's a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

Democrats are really Republicans if they don't see government as actively serving the people in a critical time of need. Who are they then that get elected and ignore their promises, who take orders from the Generals and Lobbyists? Who do they represent?

How can there ever be compromise on what the rest of the developed world takes for granted as a human right ?. Churchill supported universal healthcare 65 years ago!
And as I sit here typing with bombs and mortars going off every 3 seconds shaking the house from Camp Pendleton, 10 miles away, I wonder if there is not a better way to use the people's blood and money?

WHERE IS THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE? I really do believe that a large majority of the Democratic Party is actually left of the president. And probably a majority of independents tooooooo.
F*****g Unbelieveable!!!!!!!!

 


They can only destroy (4.00 / 7)
the netroots if we let them by not fighting back.  

 

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