Mobile version

Why The Democrats "Health Reform" Deserves To Be DEFEATED

by: FreeSociety

Sun Nov 01, 2009 at 10:22:05 PST        
| More


(noon. - promoted by ek hornbeck)



The total vacuum of any principled leadership from President Obama, has inevitably produced the most directionless, anti-consumer, Insurance Monopoly boondoggle fraud imaginable -- which is now masquerading before Congress as "reform".

In fact, the Insurance Companies are silently doing cartwheels over this, and stand to jack up rates even more, and fatten their considerable death grip over the American public.  The people who bother to read the fine print, like Congressman Dennis Kucinich, know this.

Who's to blame?

Well, for starters, Capitulator-in-Chief Barack Obama, Rahm Emanuel, Nancy Pelosi (who lied to us, and promised "a robust public option"), Max Baucus, .... and the list goes on and on. In other words, The Democratic Party and it's entire leadership structure (do we have any?) created this fiasco all by themselves -- the same people who also want to keep funding and expanding the Bush Wars, Bailout Goldman Sachs and give them (crooks) your tax money for CEO profits, and who blindly support the unconstitutional Bush U.S. Patriot Act.

Some remarks from Congressman Kucinich:


Speaking to liberal MSNBC anchor Ed Schultz on Friday, Kucinich continued:

They're being mandated to buy private insurance. If you read the bill, the people are going to end up paying -- the insurance companies can raise rates 25 percent right off the bat, if you read the bill."

Schultz encouraged Kucinich to repeat himself on that point.

"It's on page 22 of the bill," he replied. "Right here, it says that rates shall be set at a level that does not exceed 125 percent of the prevailing standard rate for comparable coverage in the individual market. Now ... It's very easy to understand what that means."

"It's not reform," Schultz insisted.

"It means a 25 percent increase, they'll have the ability to execute and since insurance companies have already raised rates for the last four years by double-digits, we can expect -- based on the bill -- another rate increase by the insurance companies."



And what about the so-called "public option"?

FreeSociety :: Why The Democrats "Health Reform" Deserves To Be DEFEATED
Well:

  1. The Public Option has been designed to only affect less than 2% of the entire population.  Everyone else is totally ineligible.  In total, perhaps up to 6 million people could qualify. But this accomplishes doodly-squat as far as "pressuring Insurance Companies to lower rates".  Nothing of the kind will ever be acheived by this.

    The numbers just aren't there to ever do that.  You would need to have a public option that was on a level playing field (what a concept!) with Private Insurance policies.  We don't even have 1/50th of that. Virtually everyone is now hopelessly condemned to be at the mercy of the same corrupt Private Insurance policies -- in fact they are now mandated by law to be the slaves of these corporations (no choice available), as now enforced by the I.R.S. and Homeland Security. Anyone feel free-er now?


  2. Furthermore, the public option will cost just as much to consumers anyway by design, (if not more) according to how the Congress set it up.

Under the revised public option, "Pelosi and her team have proposed a plan that would not make payments for care based on Medicare rates ..."

CBS News's John Nichols noted. "Rather, under the Pelosi plan, the rates will be tied to those of the big insurance companies. That's a big, big victory for the insurance industry, as it will undermine the ability of the public option to compete -- and to create pressure for reduced costs."



Now recall that the original goal (during the campaign) was to give every American, through the public option, the chance to have the same Insurance program that U.S. Congressman, U.S. Senators, and Presidents get. That was the goal. That was the whole point.  So did we get anywhere remotely close to that?  Instead, we just get the mere shadow of a public option, that applies to almost no one, and will cost as much or more than the private Insurance plans anyway by design -- which have now also just been licensed by Congress to now rise by an additional 25%.

Is this reform? Of course not.
Is this change we can believe in?  

It's a sham from beginning to end.


But wait.....it gets even worse.  Much worse!


"Representative Kucinich was livid when he found out that his provision to allow states to create a single payer system was stripped," News Junkie Post noted. "Kucinich's amendment passed the House Labor and Education Committee in July. 'No one gave me any rational reason,' Kucinich said. 'I can only assume the insurance company interests brought pressure to take it out. Otherwise I would have heard from someone.'

"The [committee] vote was 25 to 19, with support coming from an odd mix of liberal Democrats who support single-payer on its merits and conservative Republicans who want to preserve the rights of states to regulate themselves," The Washington Independent noted at the time.

"The removal of the Kucinich amendment constitutes yet another capitulation to the health insurance and pharmaceutical industries who are already reaping billions of dollars from the bill," reads a statement from the congressman's office on Thursday.

Link:


So, the one single, sole component of the House Bill here that had a chance of actually allowing for any change to actually occur in our lives (if States were to decide upon that), was silently stripped right out of the bill by fiat (no vote was allowed), and with no explanation or justification provided by Nancy Pelosi (sellout) or anyone else.

Now, I know what some people, and certaintly too many politicians, still may be thinking: but haven't we heard about how this bill is still a good thing, despite primarily fattening the wallets of Insurance Companies, simply because it will end "preexisting conditions", and therefore the Insurance companies cannot deny you care anymore?

Answer: good luck with that.  Not really.

All the Democrats did here, was have a small fine imposed to Insurance companies if they elected to drop coverage due to preexisting conditions. That fine is something like 10 thousand dollars.  Now, consider that the cost of extensive surgeries and medical tests will cost Insurance companies hundreds of thousands of dollars, just how much of a threat then is that tiny fine over the heads of the Insurance companies -- if it is even enforceable (and by whom?) to begin with?  The truth is that, this is just merely window dressing for PR purposes, that looks good, but in reality it will not prevent Insurance companies from doing what they want, whenever they want, to who they want, according their own bottom line profits, anyway. If it is cheaper to just pay the fine, then that's what they will in fact do, and the coverage will be happily denied anyway.

Business as usual we can believe in.




This is not reform.
It is a step backwards in almost every single respect for consumers.








Poll
The Democrats Health Care Reform...
Should be passed, despite its many failings.
Is a deceptive sham, and it should be defeated.

Results

Tags: , , , , , (All Tags)
Print Friendly View Send As Email

Video (4.00 / 15)







"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold, is for
people of good conscience to remain silent."
    --Thomas Jefferson


Perhaps the coup has already taken place... (4.00 / 6)
For all intents and purposes, we are now living under one-party rule, i.e., the Corporate Party. The trappings of a two-party system are retained to assure most of the masses that nothing has changed.  

With rare exception, the only difference between the Corporate Democrats and the Corporate Republicans, is that to become elected in some areas of the country, a politician needs to at least pretend that they place the interests of the people ahead of those of Big Money.  

The job for Corporate Republicans is infinitely easier, since they can blatantly do the bidding of their multinational suitors, to the detriment of the working class and, despite this, their consistuents will love it. To conceptualize this, imagine the chickens cheering for Colonel Sanders.

The MSM, helpfully, accentuates and highlights any differences that may surface bewteen the two divisions of the same party, whether they are real or imagined, serving to convince the large majority that we still have a viable two-party system in this country.  Yes, both divisions of the Corporate Party have their outliers, particularly the Republican division, who continually raise social issues, generating fear to keep the most radical elements of their base energized.  

Those who reside on the fringe are not allowed sufficient numbers or MSM coverage to gain enough power to effect any significant change.  This is particularly so with those few who don't blindly support the Corporate line, who wear the Democratic Party label.  

Yes, a few cosmetic changes are allowed, those that don't step on any corporate toes, again to support the illusion of two-party rule.

The following observation by Ralph Nader during the 2000 Presidential Election seems to say it all:

The only difference between Al Gore and George W. Bush is the velocity with which their knees hit the floor when corporations knock. - Ralph Nader quoted by Thomas Edsall, Washington Post, October 23, 2000.

I sincerely hope that my analysis is incorrect, however, I very much fear that it is not.  

"The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crises maintain their neutrality" -- Dante Alighieri


[ Parent ]
Ralph Nader was wrong in 2000, but right in general. (4.00 / 4)


Al Gore would have made a fine President, and clearly the differences between Gore and Bush-Cheney were absolutely profound.  Gore had even directly campaigned on the theme: "We're for the people, they're for the Powerful!".  

Gore wanted to not only maintain the annual budget surpluses, but completely pay down the entire National Debt (then only 5 Trillion).  He would have been alert to prevent any 911 type of incident from ever suceeding, as he had been one of the people well educated on terrorism activities.  He would never have brought us to this evil place of:  Global Warfare, Invasions, endless Foreign Occupations, Human Torture, Secret Renditions, Loss of Haebeus Corpus, and Financial Bankruptcy.  Never!

The difference between Gore and Bush was night and day. So Nader was dead wrong about 2000.
_______

However, that said, Ralph Nader has proven to be quite prescient and ultimately correct over time. We all witnessed the entire Democratic Party (aside from Dennis Kuicinich), just roll over and let Dick Cheney and George Bush do whatever they wanted, violate any Laws they wanted, cheat, steal, lie away repeatedly, and violate Human Rights like nothing we have ever seen before in U.S. History -- all without ever excercising their Constitutional powers to simply hold investigations (much less Impeach), demand any accountability, fillibuster their appoitments, or even just have the sense of decency to publically disagree with their false debate constructs and false choices, as our Country and the World suffered.

Now, back in a position of total power, the Democrats talk in a more appealing way to the middle class, but the legislation that they produce is still crafted, almost word for word, by the Corporations, and for the benefit of the Corporations.  Furthermore, they want it to be that way. President Barack Obama even went out of his way to shut out and exclude all single-payer representation from his so-called inclusive "round table" on Health Care. Obama even dismissed the mandate of the 2008 Elections, and just brought back the defeated Bush War Secretary (and IRAN-CONTRA criminal) Robert Gates to perpetuate the same illegal, blood-soaked, and crazy endless War policies.

So history has shown that Ralph Nader was right overall. We have no Progressive Party, and the Democratic Party is nothing more than just a more polite version of the same crooked Corporatism, the same barbaric NeoConism, and the same authoritarian Elitism and taxpayer-funded Globalism.


 


"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold, is for
people of good conscience to remain silent."
    --Thomas Jefferson


[ Parent ]
DKos (4.00 / 5)


It would be nice someone could post this Diary, in whole, and as written, at the DKos Site  (I'm banned there).

Anyone who wished to do this has my blessing.

I'd love to know their reaction....






"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold, is for
people of good conscience to remain silent."
    --Thomas Jefferson


Why'd you get banned? (4.00 / 4)
I liked to see you over there.

Vote for yourself at www.ni4d.org!

[ Parent ]
No reason was provided (4.00 / 8)


I was perhaps too generally critical of Obama, his choice of advisors, and his weak-kneed policies for their liking?

Perhaps I had talked too freely about the orchestrated deceit and unhealthy motives behind our violent, hypocritical, and corrupt Foreign Policy (which necessarily involves 'conspiracy')?

I'm not really sure.

All I know, is that I posted comment to a thread that had completely dismissed the idea of conspiracy (and that had equated it to 'birthers'), where I just defended the obvious (that corruption a.k.a. 'conspiracy' does in fact exist), and then all my privileges were silently and permantly revoked and disabled.

No reason was ever given.
And no valid reason was involved.




"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold, is for
people of good conscience to remain silent."
    --Thomas Jefferson


[ Parent ]
That was the reason (4.00 / 10)
defending CT is verboten, especially if it involves 9/11. Even just hinting that it is plausible will get you gone, just ask a few here. BTW, I agree this is a horrible bill that does little to "reform" the health insurance industry and in many aspects id just another hand out to them because there is far too little regulation. I am a supporter of single payer or early opt in to Medicare for ALL and regulating the crap out of the insurance companies by first making them "not for profit". They have a monopoly and have put a price tag on our lives, that needs to end.

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"

[ Parent ]
And by THAT standard, they'd have to also ban PBS R. McNEIL (4.00 / 7)


"We've seen revealed one conspiracy after another. And perhaps we lived in a fool's paradise before the Kennedy assassination.  

There is a predisposition still on the part of the mainstream media to believe it all works...the system works...and that it's only the sort of crazies on the fringes who want to keep saying, 'no it doesn't work, no it doesn't work ... there is a conspiracy at work'.

And the two of them are converging all the more because the evidence has brought them together. Anybody would have to be a fool nowadays to dismiss conspiracies."

                --Newsman Roger MacNeil,  MacNeil/Lehrer Newshour, PBS



Why isn't honesty the policy??




"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold, is for
people of good conscience to remain silent."
    --Thomas Jefferson


[ Parent ]
Because ...... (4.00 / 4)


"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." -- Rahm Emanuel

[ Parent ]
Well we're glad you're here (4.00 / 9)
and not there.

This is the place for people who have graduated from DK's junior high school, and have moved on, either willingly or unwillingly.

Once you figure things out, you're no longer welcome there.  

Which is, for you, in the long run, a good thing.

For them?  Their loss.



"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." -- Rahm Emanuel


[ Parent ]
I get tired of both places, honestly (4.00 / 4)
Here, things can get a little crazy.  Generally there's more respect and openmindedness here, but some people can go a little bit off the deep end (if you do, you won't get disrespected, though, and I like that).

At daily kos, if you can sift through the shit storms and the piles of shit, you get the some quality stuff.  Sometimes it just ain't worth it.  There are so many annoying and simplistic and borderline personality disorder people there that I need a break from that place.

Bottom line:  everyone should go to psychoanalysis.

Vote for yourself at www.ni4d.org!


[ Parent ]
psychoanalysis (4.00 / 3)
is good for the soul

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"

[ Parent ]
Exactly (4.00 / 9)


DKos is very pro-Establishment.

It is fine there to go and protest about various fringe issues (gay marriage), decry FOX News, project anger onto the DLC, and question Joe Lieberman.  

But if you go after the true Elites:  the Council of Foreign Relations, the Federal Reserve Central Bank Monopoly, the CIA, the blood soaked U.S. Foreign Policy, the U.S. legacy of political assassinations & Coup d' Etats, our very flawed and often corrupted U.S. Elections, the loss of our once proudly held liberties, or simply raise doubts about the Bush administration's performance before, during, and after 911 -- then they don't want you over there.  They may let you go on for a few months...but eventually they cut you off.

Neither confronting reality nor "Crashing The Gates" is part of their real agenda. It is just another cat herding site aimed at constraining the range of accepted political thought and debate, while intimidating those who try to look deeper and ask the more troubling questions.  

I'm sure most of the DKos management is now cheering the current Health Care Bill. Yeah...it's a Health Care Bill. Obama likes it, so it must be good.

People over here, who have accounts over there, should promote this site and get people to come here by explaining that you have the same multimedia rich blogging experience, but without any of the threats of banning just for asking questions, and raising subjects "not approved of" by the mainstream Establishment.

 


"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold, is for
people of good conscience to remain silent."
    --Thomas Jefferson


[ Parent ]
I got kicked off too (4.00 / 2)
They kicked me off the Kos too. Never gave me a reason. I guess when I wrote a Kos diary and said Markos Moulitsas don't know Jack Shit about Kentucky and the only time he comes here is when he is on his way to some place else or he comes here to hawk his book they got pissed. Oh, well!


Photobucket

[ Parent ]
Amen. (4.00 / 9)
If the progressive caucus-goers knows what's good for them they'll kill this anti-consumer, for-profit giveaway in its crib.

For chrissake, the whole point of HCR was to bring insurance premiums down.  Dem reps who votes for this are going to have a lot of angry constituents banging at their door once the 25% rate hikes kick in and these voters realize they have been suckered.

And let's not even talk about when the IRS start enforcing the health insurance mandates.

Run away Progressive Dems.  Run far away.



All that campaign cash buys a lot of stupid.


Amen to your amen... (4.00 / 6)
It's like we're 5 year olds getting punished for asking for something we're not supposed to have.

"Oh, you want HC you little ingrates! Here, here some HC for ya', that'll fix your asses. Now go sit in the corner and STFU and don't ask for anything ever again! See, now you're worse off than before ya' asked! Beggin' little majority bastards, that should shut you up! Remember: Careful what you ask for, you just may get it, or not!"


[ Parent ]
You've inspired me. (4.00 / 6)


All that campaign cash buys a lot of stupid.

[ Parent ]
The legacy of Nancy Pelosi (4.00 / 5)


Photobucket




"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold, is for
people of good conscience to remain silent."
    --Thomas Jefferson


[ Parent ]
heh (4.00 / 3)


All that campaign cash buys a lot of stupid.

[ Parent ]
The 2008 Election Results Are In......... (4.00 / 3)




Photobucket




"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold, is for
people of good conscience to remain silent."
    --Thomas Jefferson


[ Parent ]
ooh thats good! nt (4.00 / 2)


No justice, no peace.

[ Parent ]
Kucinich is no dummy! (4.00 / 9)
This whole health care reform issue has been a circus from the get-go -- trying to appease the unappeasable Repugs, trying to appease the health care industry and its lobbyists and trying to pass off something (anything) on to the American people, while mandating them to buy the GD insurance and subjecting themselves to penalities if they don't. My suspicion is that it's "let's get the GD health care reform(?) passed at any and all expense.

I've been making calls for a number of weeks now, first insisting on single-payer, and then, insisting on a STRONG public option and telling the staffer that unless and until, they should just forget the bill, as it has no real meaning for Americans other than increasing their burdens via a mandate.

Here's a video on it:



Say "YES" to Generation We  Go there, read the Petition and sign, if you agree!   Say "YES" to GENERAL STRIKE


Excellant Video!! (4.00 / 4)


Someone should post this video also at DKos.

I wish MoveOn.org made a video like this, but they are probably in the pass anything that says the words "reform" on it catagory.

But this video needs wider exposure!!




"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold, is for
people of good conscience to remain silent."
    --Thomas Jefferson


[ Parent ]
This should be posted at OpenLeft.com (4.00 / 1)
I would, but I'm banned from there for having called Bowers out on his rank hypocrisy.



[ Parent ]
Here's action you can take TOMORROW! (4.00 / 7)
From:

Healthcare reform is a four-letter word

Dear ,

We are all frustrated by the Affordable Health Care for America Act-H.R. 3962--the House's lamentable healthcare reform bill, if you can call it reform at all. We think of it as tweaking a badly broken system--at best it's a band-aid on a hemorrhaging system--although, it does appear to be drawing fewer flies than the Senate version.

There's still time to make it better-much better-but not a lot of time. The bill will be finalized by 5:00 PM Monday evening.

We need to call the bill's "managers" on Monday, November 2, and insist that the Kucinich Amendment be reinserted in the bill. Pelosi reneged on her deal with Weiner-she can make up for it by reinserting the Kucinich amendment.

The "gang" that holds our future in their hands includes:

--Speaker Nancy Pelosi: Washington, DC, office (202) 225-4965; San Francisco office (415) 556-4862
--Majority Leader Steny Hoyer: Washington, DC, office (202) 225-4131; Greenbelt office (301) 474-0119; Waldorf office (301) 843-1577
--Rep. Henry Waxman: Washington, DC, office (202) 225-3976; Los Angeles office (323) 651-1040
--Rep. Charles Rangel: Washington, DC, office (202) 225-4365; New York office (212) 663-3900
--Rep. George Miller: Washington, DC, office (202) 225-2095; Concord office (925) 602-1880; Richmond office (510) 262-6500; Vallejo office (707) 645-1888

It's crucial for everyone in PDA to make these calls, and to tell others to make these calls. TODAY! Be polite, but let them know you're angry, and that you vote.

So many of us have poured our heart and souls into Medicare for All; our disappointment could lead us to give up. Any right worth having is worth fighting for, so the fight goes on. We'll do our best to make this bad bill better in the House and in the Senate. Then we'll take this fight to the states.

Susan B. Anthony, William Lloyd Garrison, Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King didn't give up-neither will we. Please, make those calls.

In solidarity,

Tim Carpenter for PDA

P.S. If you haven't had a chance yet, please read Pelosi's Not-So-Robust Public Option.



Say "YES" to Generation We  Go there, read the Petition and sign, if you agree!   Say "YES" to GENERAL STRIKE

[ Parent ]
When someone does post this over at Orange -- (4.00 / 4)
please do post a link here, so we can all recommend it...

"Mientras el trabajo sea una comodidad, un mecanismo de extracción de plusvalía y un arma de alienación, el sistema y sus miserias sobrevivirán."  -Peter McLaren

Not much chance the prog caucus will (0.00 / 0)
stand against this either.

Told ya (0.00 / 0)
Mandatory junk insurance.
Just enough to get you "on" something big pharma has to offer.
Because you own your disease.
And why do you own your disease you might ask.
Well because big farmer sells you nutrient deficient high profit margin processed foods.

Whatever you do to others you also do to yourself!

Obama ignored solving our economic problems... (4.00 / 1)
so he could focus on this bullcrap healthcare reform. Obama is just another politician.  

my response to mandates is very simple.... (4.00 / 4)
a can of gas and a match.......

I have had it with this horseshit called politics....

I could not afford it them and I can not afford it now.....

but gas and a match I got........


A more articulate opposition to the current bill (4.00 / 1)
can be found here:

http://seminal.firedoglake.com...

"Mientras el trabajo sea una comodidad, un mecanismo de extracción de plusvalía y un arma de alienación, el sistema y sus miserias sobrevivirán."  -Peter McLaren


The Democrat's Health Reform Initiative never got off the ground. (4.00 / 3)
I don't recall any Democrat ever really make an argument that health care should be a basic right, a moral imperative, a collective social obligation. That should have been the focus of the August town halls, not some vague reform notions that turned the debate into a budgetary free for all with screaming fanatics. Also, no Democrat brought up other unproductive expenditures that could be cut to help get reform up and running in 2013.

This date would have been palatable if Defense spending were cut and we were out of Afghanistan and Iraq by 2011.
There should have been linkage of these two issues in the debate. It would have been very popular. But the fact that
this is Taboo, real Taboo says a lot about the reality of America. When I was extremely active in the 60's, there was a lot of linkage of issues, because the bad had to be tossed out for the good. Moral and budgetary considerations should always be linked. What seems real, real radical today is really basic political common sense.
But challenging entrenched industries and Wall Street is not permitted. 2009 is not much different from 1909.


March on Washington
Saturday, March 20
 

 

Menu

Make a New Account

Username:

Password:



Forget your username or password?

Contact Us

Seek




Advanced Search


Contribute to Docudharma
 

 
     

 

DharmaDocs
- Mission Statement
- FAQ
- HTML Help
- Dharmapedia
- Series
www.flickr.com

Action

Powered by: SoapBlox