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Paul Rosenberg on Obama

by: ek hornbeck

Sun Oct 25, 2009 at 17:15:10 PDT        
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As you may know I'm a big fan of OpenLeft and Paul Rosenberg is one of my particular favorites.

I asked for and received permission to quote at length a piece he wrote today which, while he may claim my excerpt mischaracterizes his position, thoroughly captures mine.

Ridgelines and River Bottoms
by: Paul Rosenberg
Sun Oct 25, 2009 at 17:30

... Obama is, at bottom, a conservative, notwithstanding some cultural inclinations to the contrary.  When all is said and done, he wants to change things as little as possible, his desire for change is driven by a perceived necessity to avoid disaster, and the priorities and parameters of change are dictated by doing as much as possible for those representing existing power, and doing as little as possible for everyone else.  This is what classic Burkean conservatives believe in, along with the ideal of unifying the polity, and marginalizing all divisive forces.

Divisive forces, for those not clued in, means you and me, pardners.  Every bit as much as Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck.  For a classic conservative like Obama, it really makes no difference whatsoever if the divisive forces are right or rational.  All that matters is that they resist going along.  And because of Obama's essential conservatism, it's you and I who are the problem in Obama's eyes.  Not Baucus, Nelson, Lieberman & the like.  You and I.  We are the problem.

And since we are the problem, we've got to get a whole lot better at it. Because if we can make ourselves insoluble, then that will force Obama to accept us, however much he may hate doing so.

And that is the only way that we will get what we want.

...

... (T)oward that end, we need to become very, very good at separating the wheat from the chaff.  And very, very good at saying, "No!" and sticking with it.

In order to do this, we must be willing to risk taking losses. Because, quite frankly, losses are always a possibility--and generally become even more likely whenever you go on defense, no matter how reasonable it may seem.  That's why I've argued that we should not, and cannot support a bill with individual mandates and no public option.  This will be political poison, and the only question is "How fast will it act?"

 
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"I like irony except I find that if you just toss your clothes in the dryer for a few minutes you hardly ever have to use it."- ek hornbeck

He is dead-on re the public option or lack of one! (4.00 / 6)
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Not that most Neo-Cons (4.00 / 9)
would even know who Burke is. I am sure Obama does.

Interesting. Must think about this.


Most actual neo-cons (4.00 / 5)
probably would know who Burke was. It's a small, highly-educated clique, that has as its base the great American booboisie that could barely define neo-conservatism but love the jingoism.  Burke's is precisely the sort of conservatism they seek to defeat.  There's a great conflict between the expansive "national greatness" conservatism of Podhoretz and Kristol, and the mercantilist quietism of Burke and Washington.  That's why we have two conservative parties in the US today, the neo-con driven Rubes and the Burkean Dems.

"Everything for everyone, nothing for ourselves" ~ Zapatista motto

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Excellent piont.... (4.00 / 3)
Perhaps the fact that most of their followers don't is of little consequence to them. It fits their vision.

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agree with the bottom half (4.00 / 5)
not sure about the top.  i have not studied obama closely enough to reach any kind of serious conclusion.  i also have to admit that i am still in the camp of hoping that growing up african american in a white world and his years of community organizing have rendered him less conservative than paul perceives.  as much as we have seen evidence of this, i am loathe to accept it just yet.

aka conchita

HA!!! Yes! (4.00 / 6)
I LOVE it.

In order to do this, we must be willing to risk taking losses. Because, quite frankly, losses are always a possibility--and generally become even more likely whenever you go on defense, no matter how reasonable it may seem.  That's why I've argued that we should not, and cannot support a bill with individual mandates and no public option.  This will be political poison, and the only question is "How fast will it act?"

This is sort of what I was trying to talk about in my comments earlier today in buhdy's piece. Sorta.

No justice, no peace.


and this too (4.00 / 7)
he closes with...

As we face some very difficult times ahead, it's going to be inevitable that we will have disagreements in the short run. And to resolve those disagreements we will need the utmost trust in one another. We will need to join together in raising the level of debate, and keeping ourselves free from the influence of unreasoning fear, and the many sorts of deception that fear can lead us to blindly accept.

beautiful.

No justice, no peace.


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XZactly... (4.00 / 3)
...the trust amongst us, the togetherness, the resolution not to succumb to fear...

These are the bases of progress forward.

The fierce urgency of now.  Martin


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I have to agree with Rosenberg (4.00 / 8)
I said this all along that Obama was not a liberal just from his short voting history in the Senate. He has left some of the worst of Bushes policies in place and allowed the continued use of telecommunications surveillance and signing statements. His lack of support of a robust public option open to all is not surprising. Though I wouldn't go so far as to say he is a Bush redux,, he certainly is so far a Clinton redux. All you have to do is look at the people he has surrounded him self with in the Treasury. Obama is his supporters worst fears, Hillary in a less colorful pant suit.

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"

If Bill was the "Best Republican President Ever" (4.00 / 4)
then what is Obama?

He seems to be going for the title.  

"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." -- Rahm Emanuel


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Huge fan of Paul's and OpenLeft, too. (4.00 / 5)
The part I can't get past is that his campaign was a lie, and he's the liar.  I also can't get past the fact that he's Bush's third term and worse than having Clinton back in the WH.  In any event, I'm all in for no.  No money, no votes, no support.  I've been here since 06, with no where else to go.  Where I differ is that Paul thinks its his inclination, and I think he's just another paid for flunky.  

From a great diary by Cassiodorus:

Political spectacle is a mere show.  What this means for our political life is that it tends to rely upon what Murray Edelman calls "political spectacle."  Politics becomes a show.  The politicians make promises, we clap, and then everyone goes back to work for the system.  The promises, then, don't have to have a meaningful connection to reality, as the real deals are made when the political show is over and its audience has been dismissed from its participation in the rituals of political empowerment, going back to being a "weak public" in Fraser's terms.  (Our technological development has supported political spectacle, both in weapons and communication technologies.  We go from the slingshot to the atomic bomb and from basic language uses to the Internet.)  Zapatismo doesn't work like this.  Under Zapatismo, everything depends upon community support.


I agree on the (4.00 / 1)
inclination part and the political spectacle part. Zaptismo isn't by the sheer fact of it's structure, and it's agrarian culture going to work the same here. There is in actuality is a lot in between basic language terms and the net. Newspapers which have been totally corrupted are going broke, people are changing how they get information and the net is forming the communities. Obama tapped into this and the grassroots via community organizing. I think were going to use community via the net, to affect the hills and ridges. The grassroots live and vote by the river depths but locally they can and will join the reshaping of the landscape, they have little choice at this point as the fierce urgency of now is steam rollering their lives and it becoming clearer and cleared that both parties are in on the screw.. Forget about the tv it is owned by the too bigs... It is the river depth personified, with the exception being when the left side brings in more money.      

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I know, and I agree. (4.00 / 1)
I didn't want to quote out of context, and there is no doubt they didn't have to go from high rise to planting corn.  

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....thoroughly captures mine, too (4.00 / 4)
I've felt for many months that Obama is essentially a conservative.

He understands that his rhetoric must be more on the liberal side, that many/most Dems are susceptible to personality cult machinations.

I would love to hear a tape of his behind the door exchanges, w/Rahm or whoever. I think his DLC purity would surprise may of his supporters.

Authoritarian political ideologies have a vested interest in promoting fear. ----Susan Sontag


Posted this in Inky's essay (4.00 / 3)
but I think it's appropriate here too:

I don't subscribe to all of John Pilger's views but, overall, I think he's right on the money here.


taking a loss (4.00 / 2)
is what we did with Obama. Makes no sense to try and make the glass slipper fit the wrong foot. I agree with Paul, we should be the rational party of No. The problem is as I see it most people thought this was a fix and that as Hillary said the 'Sky would part etc......'and they cannot see the landscape in any other way.

However losses are useful too, once people realize they have lost and that their fears of the return of the Republican bad cops, falling too bigs and terrorists are all part of the con and their reality is worse then their fears. Fear has been turned towards phantoms. Fearing loss in many cases is fearing winning. It's upside down, the cart before the horse.  

It's hard to admit that you have been bamboozled but when they start yanking money right out of your pocket, and your told the only thing that counts is wealth and profit and peace is war, I think it easier to say No! Our work it would seem is to turn the so called political realists into actual pragmatists. Left of the Left is in actuality the middle and no amount of rhetoric, can hide the reality were living through. I do believe we've had enough, maybe not, but a few more 'wins' that make life hell, may make the majority actually stop fearing and do something, other then blame the doggies or their constituents or the demographics of mass destruction.

     


Jesus, that is insightful. (4.00 / 3)
Rosenberg is right on.  Since Obama always tries to evade pain, being [a] pain is our best weapon.  As long as we cause or threaten him pain, he will have to deal with us.

But not a Goldwater conservative--who would say you've got to take your bad tasting medicine, not take a sedative, to get better.

At some point, a form of true conservatism will meet a true progressivism and we will take this country back.

"The second teaching from the golden eternity is that there never was a first teaching from the golden eternity. So be sure."  Jack Kerouac



 

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