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Conflict and Excellence

by: buhdydharma

Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 11:00:31 PDT        
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The problem: Before Climate Crisis kills 4 billion people or so and we as the Human Race have to deal with that tragedy, Human Beings need to fundamentally change.

We have to change not just our "lifestyles" but our entire way of thinking about living on a planet, and living with 7 billion other people on that planet.

We have to change from a species that competes with (kills) each other, to a species that cooperates (feeds and cares for) each other.

Fortunately, only a critical mass of human beings need to make this change, not every single one of us. Fortunately as well we don't have to be perfect in making this change, since Human Beings will never be perfect. (When humans achieve perfection, they cease to be humans, lol)

So let's think about that for a minute.

In an incredibly short amount of time compared to the rest of the process of human evolution, ENOUGH humans have to change, or at least accept change, to significantly alter the way we react to each other...and the planet.

It is VERY easy to view this as something impossible and to give up hope. I mean, we are talking about going from eight years of a Bushco approach of domination and separation to a whole new paradigm....before it is too late to turn the Climate process around.

This will not happen without conflict.

buhdydharma :: Conflict and Excellence
Even in the best case scenario, where we are able to avoid Resource Wars and Climate Refugee Wars and Economic Dominance Wars.....

We will have massive amounts of conflict with the Status Quo-rriors and The Old Guards over transforming enough of world society...and enough of ourselves...to the new paradigm that is the only real hope of avoiding a tragedy unlike the world has ever seen.

There will be conflict.

That means that we cannot approach conflict as a "Bad Thing," as something to be avoided. It means in fact that we have to embrace the conflicts to come as part of the process. WHILE finding a way to make our part of the conflict fit in with the new paradigm of cooperation of competition.

In other words, we have to find ways to engage in conflict...in an "excellent" way.

Or as Hunter S. Thompson put it..."When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."

The going IS weird. And we need to turn pro.

A scenario: The future of the planet is at risk. (In addition to the wars and torture and bigotry and intolerance and injustice and just plain ignorance/stupidity that already beset us) and a WHOLE bunch of people...the current critical mass are just plain wrong, and just plain in denial. Their hearts and minds must be changed. There is no Ghandi or MLK to lead this effort to change hearts and minds. WE have to be the leaders. WE have to be the ones who engage in conflict.

The sort of critical mass we are talking about simply cannot be the result of One Person leading us out of the wilderness, that just produces a "follower mentality."

So EACH OF US has to not only make a change within us (conflict) but also change those we have contact with (conflict) and urge them to help us to work to change The System (big time conflict!) It simply cannot be done, the planet simply cannot be changed, without conflict.

So....shying away from, or trying to gloss over, or trying to quash or repress conflict is either pointless or, more likely, counterproductive.

It will take conflict to change the status quo. And if we DON"T change the status quo, billions are likely to die. But if we fight in the way that humans have always fought...we are just preserving the status quo by acting within it.

The Internet can be considered  (among other things) a laboratory for this change. Time is compressed on the Internet. The average person can easily go through a day in our conflict adverse society without ever encountering any meaningful contact, even counting rude barristas. The Internet on the other hand is practically MADE for conflict. In fact conflict is one of the, if not THE most attractive features of the Internet. (Besides porn of course.) Here, we can compress our learning time as to how to "wage conflict" in a new and more productive way, in order to do our part in changing the world.

We CAN, if we so CHOOSE, be the vanguard for constructive change through conflict. Using the compressed and concentrated lessons of human interaction we learn on line.

At this point I feel that it is only fair to point out that I pretty much suck at this.

But in the effort to learn from our "mistakes" in human interaction, (as I recently mentioned in another essay) this is the place that I have come to. And that place is essentially a question: How do we engage in the conflict that is absolutely needed to change the world....excellently?

Human Nature is geared for conflict, the time and task we have been presented with requires conflict, avoiding or glossing over or trying to prevent conflict is counter productive.

So....how do we engage in the conflict that must occur to change the world...while not perpetuating the same cycles and dynamic that make it necessary to change the world in the first place?

This question is one of the key things we have to confront and solve as we move forward. Perhaps THE key thing, as the basic problem we face in absolutely everything we are trying to accomplish is changing ENOUGH OF human nature to save the planet and move forward.

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There will be a pop-quiz in fifteen minutes.

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Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


I had to LOL (4.00 / 9)
at this:

At this point I feel that it is only fair to point out that I pretty much suck at this.


No justice, no peace.

[ Parent ]
Me too! (4.00 / 7)


Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
and I also suck at puzzles (4.00 / 5)
of any kind.

No justice, no peace.

[ Parent ]
Nah, This is line (4.00 / 6)
is just special
In fact conflict is one of the, if not THE most attractive features of the Internet. (Besides porn of course.)


"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"

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lucky you (plural) (4.00 / 12)
I have some time right now, although probably not a whole lot of clarity. All of this has really been on my mind, and its becoming my main focus, for at least a few weeks months. but today... I will warn you, I am in the midst (but in a lull) of a rather HOT domestic debate situation .... so Im somewhat warped by that, at the moment.

I am, actually, very torn. It is my nature... to bend, to compromise, to give in, to adjust, flex, empathize, etc. and to work toward consensus. Unfortunately, that doesnt work very well. It ONLY works if or when the other parties involved agree to some common basic... foundational ... uhm, things, values, givens. Such as respect, dignity, mutuality, common good, equality ... what else?

Equality.

Well. Equal access, equal benefit/s, equal rights... cannot emerge from UNequal Power, unless you have a Benevolent Overlord in the power spot. right? well, not even then.

We don't have a level playing field.

You know, I don't WANT "Power", I don't. I just want equal... goodies. Basics. But if TPTB won't give me that, or allow me access to that, then what choice is there but to seize power somehow, away from the Greeders. Get power into the hands of the Sharer's and we'll be happy to share the goods. with everyone.

If as one of the Sharer's ... the question becomes for me, how to do that without compromising or negating or betraying those basic principles listed above, respect etc.?

Its all one big gordian knot, right now, for me. More questions.

sigh

No justice, no peace.


Equality is the key (4.00 / 7)
RAW said that communication is ONLY possible between equals.

The problem indeed is how do we actually get equality....from the powerful....who refuse to give it to 'us'....

Without, ya know....killing them and shit.



Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
who's RAW? (4.00 / 4)


No justice, no peace.

[ Parent ]
Either (4.00 / 3)
Reggae Ambassadors Worldwide

Or my fav guerrilla philosopher, Robert Anton Wilson

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
Raggae! Yeah, Baby! (4.00 / 3)
....never mind.

[ Parent ]
One of the doctors (0.00 / 0)
I work with is from Jamaica and a Rastafarian. On quieter nights, the stereo in the lounge would rock with Bob Marley and Reggae. Darn, now I have to go get some Jerk Chicken from Blue Mountain.

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"

[ Parent ]
There are people, (4.00 / 8)
lots of them actually, who will during this process of change try to resolve major conflicts by simply killing or trying to kill everyone they come into conflict with. And lots of them have lots of weapons, and no compunctions.

So....how do we engage in the conflict that must occur to change the world...while not perpetuating the same cycles and dynamic that make it necessary to change the world in the first place?


We get BIGGER GUNS!!!! (4.00 / 3)
Oh wait, we already tried that.

And it turns out that the viggest threat to end human life besides climate crisis is the 20 or 30,000 nuclear BIGGER GUNS we tried to produce peace while preparing for war with.

On the bright side we DID dodge that 'bullet' by transforming human nature (which produced the outward changes that ended the Cold War) didn't we?


Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
Be water maybe? (4.00 / 6)
I really don't have a complete answer anymore than anyone else does, you know? Other than be prepared to defend ourselves individually. But then, something will get us all in the end anyway whether it's a disease or an accident or another person, I suppose.

I guess how we live is more relevant than how long we live?  Either individually or as a society or human race? The Four Noble Truths, and the Eightfold Path?


[ Parent ]
yeah, but.... (4.00 / 6)
I went to see A Serious Man t5he other day and it reminded me that there is no 'solution' to the 'human problem.'

Otoh we are hardwired to try to solve the 'human problem' (at least....we mutants are. On the individual level we all pretty much grok (here anyway) that we need to be the change and transform ourselves...but is there anything we can do on the larger scale? Any way we can reach out to others and push them along with pushing ourselves to evolve?

If not, it sure LOOKS like we are fooked.

I WAS just kidding about the quiz!

But IF we are going to change the world and not just ourselves, this is one of the fundamental questions. I don;t have an answer either, but I think just considering the question has merit.

At least we are doing that!

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
Ripples? (4.00 / 9)
You know me. I think we are the world.

The same as it ever was? ;-)


I hope this is the right song - I have no speakers where I am right now...


[ Parent ]
The first step is to not (4.00 / 6)
Turn Away...

Only then can we...



Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
lol at we mutuants (4.00 / 4)
that looks great, Ill go read that in a bit. buhdy... I love you! lol

so am I threadjumping if I jump in the middle of a comment thread between buhdy and edger?

too bad! move over!! lol

okay, look, I disagree:

Human Nature is geared for conflict, the time and task we have been presented with requires conflict, avoiding or glossing over or trying to prevent conflict is counter productive.

In a different essay recently, there was also some mention (I forget exactly) about humans being hard-wired some way or another.

No. We are basically simply hard-wired for survival. If you read or study cross-cultural anthro, you can see that that... thats about it, as small an "atom" you can make it, everything else from there is as varied as all get out. There are many cultures (yah name two! ha!) that actually do not revere "conflict" or "competition" the way western modern industrial culture does.

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No justice, no peace.


[ Parent ]
erm, mutuants (4.00 / 3)
might actually be even better! lol

No justice, no peace.

[ Parent ]
Hey! Who you callin' a mutant? (4.00 / 6)

We're just lookin' for Cheap Thrills, is all..



[ Parent ]
I agree westerners have raised conflict (4.00 / 4)
to a point of reverence.

But survival IS conflict. At the very least, we are in fundamental conflict with the will to survive of whatever we eat...even if it is only grass.

The only culture I know of that rejects conflict as a way of life are the Bhutanese.....who also just happen to be the happiest people on earth:

The concept of gross national happiness (GNH) is an attempt to define quality of life in more holistic and psychological terms than gross national product.

The term was coined in 1972 by Bhutan's former King Jigme Singye Wangchuck, who has opened up Bhutan to the age of modernization, soon after the demise of his father, King Jigme Dorji Wangchuk. It signaled his commitment to building an economy that would serve Bhutan's unique culture based on Buddhist spiritual values. Like many moral goals, it is somewhat easier to state than to define. Nonetheless, it serves as a unifying vision for Bhutan's five-year planning process and all the derived planning documents that guide the economic and development plans of the country.

While conventional development models stress economic growth as the ultimate objective, the concept of GNH claims to be based on the premise that true development of human society takes place when material and spiritual development occur side by side to complement and reinforce each other. The four pillars of GNH are the promotion of sustainable development, preservation and promotion of cultural values, conservation of the natural environment, and establishment of good governance.

Who have shared a border with China for well over a thousand years and have neither been invaded or have attacked.

And that is because they practice not living in conflict with wither the earth or their fellow humans.

Maybe we should all move to Bhutan?

Or at least try to learn from them?

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
jello brain me (4.00 / 6)
sigh.

I recall you've mentioned these folks before, and I wandered off to read more, back then, because it looks enticing, no?

Hold on, it's coming back to me.... {wavy screen skies}

wiki...

In the 1980s, in order to strengthen Bhutan's identity as a nation, the "one nation, one people" campaign was started to integrate the peripheral ethnic and cultural groups into mainstream Bhutanese society. The age-old code of conduct, known as Driglam namzha, and usage of the official national language, Dzongkha, was enforced.

At around the same time, the first nationwide census in Bhutan's history confirmed a large population of inhabitants of Nepali origin in Southern Bhutan. This minority, known as Lhotsampas, were officially accorded Bhutanese nationality in 1958.[13] However, the government later reneged on this agreement and took the position that they were illegal immigrants. As such, the Lhotsampas were forcibly evicted from the country in an act of ethnic cleansing with detailed incidents being reported in journals such as the Washington Post.[14]

In order to enforce the government decision, security forces were mobilized against the Lhotsampas.[15] States former Bhutanese national Dorge Gurung, "They were threatening us. In the census, they were saying that within fifteen days we had to leave the country; otherwise, we would be shot or tortured." Under this persecution, Southern Bhutanese were deported to Nepal where they were admitted into camps run by the United Nations High Commission for Refugees (UNHCR).

While continuous attempts have been made between the governments of Bhutan and Nepal to resolve this issue, the number of Bhutanese refugees has swelled to over 100,000 with the originally evicted Bhutanese citizens having children and raising families in the camps. While Bhutan takes the position that some living in these camps are economic opportunists living off of the aid provided by the UNHCR, the problem has continued to the point[clarification needed] where funding for the camps has now been reduced.[16]

In 2007, as a final attempt to resolve the issue, the US government announced that around 60,000 Bhutanese refugees would be settled in the US in a third country settlement programme.[17] Other countries also involved include Canada, which has agreed to accept up to 5000 of these people, and Norway which has already settled 200.

so ... happy like borg?

No justice, no peace.


[ Parent ]
See? (4.00 / 5)
NOBODY is perfect!

LOL

Conflict everywhere!

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Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
"There is no straight solution". (4.00 / 4)
I've always felt this song should be your blog "anthem".  :*)

Great cover of an old Badfinger tune.


[ Parent ]
intolerance of intolerance (4.00 / 6)
is another piece of this puzzle.

When my Dad died (1999) and we gathered... Sister #2, the evangelical, would not tolerate Sister #1, the Drum Circler, doing any of her rituals, sage, chants, PRAYERS, whatever, anywhere, period. (witchcraft satan poisoning our air etc).

And Im with Drummer sister on this. We do not object to her glory to god in jc's name bla bla bla.... I do not claim to be All Knowing Deciding that her shit religion is poisonous to me. I tolerate her intolerance. (Robyn had a good essay a little while back on that)

Im {.} this close to saying fuck that noise. To all those people. All of 'em!

Just throwing this in as an example.

Problem is... how do I "enforce" it.?

Y'know, I can say: "Not under MY roof!" okay fine, but we... heh... nice metaphor by accident... are all in our father's house now.

Guess that's why He made sure to have many rooms (ref John 1 something, I forget). lol (thats about the only scripture I ever quote, usually...)

Its just crazymaking. I do not want to "become them" in order to defeat them.

sorry, I know Im not making a lot of sense.

No justice, no peace.


You are doing great, lol (4.00 / 4)
You are personalizing for all of us the kind of conflicts I am talking about. Taking them down to human scale from the lofty heights I presented them on.

Good shit!

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
You mentioned "porn pop quiz" ? (4.00 / 5)
But I see no study materials to use in my preparation?

(The following comment is snark. (4.00 / 6)
If it was a real comment you would be told where to go and what to do)

JEESUS FUCKING CHRIST, Do you have some kind of reading comprehension problem? Go back to Red State, troll!

/snark

But ................if you insist!

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
The male lion.... (4.00 / 3)
Was having a bad hair day..... Other than that...

[ Parent ]
more re mutants (4.00 / 4)
sorry I wandered off topic a little up there, about the Happy People... back to the mutants... buhdy, that essay is fucking hilarious, and greatness.

You might even consider re-posting it, but maybe its just me... lol.  Ive referred to myself for the past 10 years or so, only half joking, as a "closet agoraphobe"...!  ;-)

thats some good shit right here...

Since I am tossing statistics around like horseshoes.....Lots of people seem to break things down in some similar fashion to this: 30% conservative, 40% middle of the road, 30% liberal, etc. Well....the % of humans I am most interested in and enamored of are the 10% and the 1%! Note: These figures....like 78% of all statistics used in conversations everyday.....are completely made up!

I like the 10% who are weird. The rebels, the free thinkers, the odd, the strange the unconventional, the ones who are 'off' a bit.  

And I particularly like the 1%.....the mutants.

Though still, being somewhat of a recluse or a hermit or loner.....I like the 1% in theory, not necessarily in my living room.

These are the folks that in spite of all the odds, in spite of all the resistance, in spite of all the strange looks they get walking down the street, in spite of all the shunning and ostracizing and rebukes and cries to straighten up and fly right....don't. Who instead stick to their guns and have the courage and faith in themselves and their convictions that force/allow them to live outside of 'normality.'

The freaks and mutants who are ALWAYS the folks who come up with the ideas that change the world.



No justice, no peace.

A companion peice (4.00 / 4)
M.utants O.pposing D.ystopia

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
lol, glad (4.00 / 3)
I finally found you! and DD...!

love this...

We don't want what you have, we want what you don't have....and what you won't let us have.


No justice, no peace.

[ Parent ]
OMG ROTFLOL (4.00 / 5)
I'm a mutant. I never conformed to "thit". My family considered me the "black sheep", and some of then still do, bless their blackened neo-con "hearts". I was the "weirdo" all through school who was a chronic truant, got straight "A"'s and graduated college at 18. Even in the military (don't ask why I did that), I got all the "odd" assignments and completed them "well" as per my commanding officers. No wonder Emergency Medicine appealed to me even before it was a specialty. I may not have changed the world, yet, but maybe I saved some one's life who will. Time will tell. I feel better now. I fit in to a demographic. (sigh)

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"

[ Parent ]
How to overcome money and power? (4.00 / 5)
The more charts and related blogs I read the more I become convinced that we are a three stage society, the super rich > one billion, the middle class salary > 100,000/yr, and the serfs <30,000/yr.

Notice that the groups are dependent upon each other to survive and their commonality is money. It defines their stature in society and their need for each other.

The super rich must constantly keep their net worth advancing at least at the rate of inflation. They need the middle class to manage their money, businesses,taxes and congresscritters to give them an edge.

The middle class is also concerned with maintaining the status quo. They have mortgages, kids, credit cards, parents needing help. What if they lost their job? What if the big 'C' struck. Is a lower paid worker eying their job? What if upper management cut wages to maintain profits?

The serfs, that be us son, have to worry that their situation may become worse.

Just thinkin:

I would guess that the super rich = 5%, the middle class = 50%, and the serfs = 45% of the population.

At the peak retail trade accounted for 70 % of the GDP. As the economy contracts people are more hesitant to spend their cash/credit and stores start being boarded up. This indicates how slim the margins are for business.

This process feeds on itself and everyone gets hurt in the process.

The question is what do we look like coming (if) out.

It is the velocity of money  

 


Eventually (4.00 / 5)
and I expect sooner than later, this will catch up to the 5%. They need a strong, robust middle class and a working lower class to maintain their life style. That's why everyone was fairly "content" during the Clinton administration, that is, if you didn't look too close but then there was that "blue dress" issue to keep us looking the other way.
  If there is no business or services that the 95% can afford the 5% start to feel the pinch in diminished returns. The 5% rely on the 95% to maintain the basic infrastructure that supports them. Now the basic "infrastructure" has started to crumble, with job losses, the housing and credit crisis, businesses failing, two wars sucking money that would support the "infrastructure", among many other issues. The Bush tax cuts are about to expire. Good. Let them. Obama is a fool when he back off closing the tax loop holes for businesses that send jobs overseas. But then Obama is a politician. Every thing he has done so far so far has just prolonged the agony. The Goldman-Sachs government is in for another tumble but I expect that this time there will be radical "change" just how good or bad it will be is debatable.

"By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes.", Wm. Shakespeare, "Macbeth"

[ Parent ]
Thanks. (4.00 / 3)
I wanted to expand my comment but I am 76 yr old and tiredness overcame my intentions. Thanks for finishing up. You are right on.

I think the savings rate has gone from -2% to 8%. This means that comparatively the money supply has decreased by 10%. I do not know how much the velocity of money has decreased but I would guess that the bottom 45% are basjcally hand to mouth so their funds would be spent quickly ( their velocity of money is high).

I think the middle 50% is where the savings and slowing of velocity of money is occurring. If fear causes them to save and limit purchases to essentials then saving and velocity both contribute to reduced retail sales and diminished returns for the 5 %. If the market takes another big hit then 401(k)'s and other savings invested in the market will take another hit. This will increase the fear factor of the 50% since they now face retirement essentially broke, so they begin to save with a vengeance. I think once this mindset is in place it will take a few decades to dissipate. I can remember in the late 1940's, investing in stocks was a sign of idiocy and bank accounts were suspect. I believe the mindset has already occurred.

This leaves the 5% in a hard spot. Their expenses can be reduced only by reducing the salaries of their enablers. This is occurring now, but obviously there is a limit.

How does it end?



 


[ Parent ]
Do you mean that you suck at learning from (4.00 / 2)
mistakes?

mmgrmthphahahahaha! (4.00 / 2)


come firefly-dreaming with me....

[ Parent ]
I am challanged in that area, as well. (4.00 / 1)
I'm getting better at it as I age.  Now, I have a hard time remembering what

[ Parent ]
You wear the oppositon down! (4.00 / 5)
As a great man once said: "Non violence takes time" (or some such)

You slap them upside the head with facts (verbal slapping only) and step back to let it sink in and then you do it again and again. Patience and persistence, like how you raise children. Because they are like children, they have not evolved to mutant status. Yet!
Assimilation! Rinse and repeat!

Do we have that much time? I don't know. But it's one step in the right direction, me thinks.


the Internet is also made for communication (4.00 / 2)
and education. It is made, too,  for learning how to debate effectively.

That doesn't necessarily mean politely. But it does mean learning how to avoid traps.

Thus, at times we practice on each other. And it isn't always polite, and it tends to be stuck all over with traps.

The ultimate trap, though, for any given individual; is not getting past these practice sessions to the real thing. We can educate each other until hell freezes over, without anything but good effect. But using each other as knife sharpeners has its limits. Sooner or later, the blades wear down, the stones grow small, and what has one accomplished, other than a hastening of an already inevitable process? i.e.; we all wear down just fine without each other's assistance.



"We are in the Age of Shiva, an age of death and rebirth. If we only focus on what is past we feel loss. If we focus on new beginnings we feel anticipation, like looking forward to a new day without knowing quite what the weather is going to be like."


Highly doubt climate change (4.00 / 4)
is the real killer here.  The Wars it will generate will though.

As to sucking at stuff, yes I do.  Injested way too much flouride.  Don't really want to "see" the future in that psychic sense.  Educating others on the real state of affairs, waking up the sheeple only goes so far.  Most people stop, slink back into the Matrix programming like my lame horse who stops listening to me after a month off.

Saving the enviornment for what.  The future?  What future?  Future for the top elites running the entire world modeled after Red China?  Fuck That.  Not a fucking nano-second will I waste propping up those fucking parasite asshole Bernie Madoff carbon global poverty inducing motherfucks further up the food chain.

Whatever you do to others you also do to yourself!


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