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by: Compound F

Sun Jun 14, 2009 at 15:32:32 PDT        
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The number 1 rec'd diary at DKos contains the following formulation:

Things are so bad for "President-Elect" Ahmadinejad and "Supreme Leader" Khamanei right now that there would be few tears shed for an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities.  That's not a suggestion that the U.S. should get near Iran with a ten-foot poll (sic), only an observation that the establishment wouldn't gain much sympathy if not a whole lot of blame and further destabilization of their illegitimate(and it is) regime.

All I can say is, What The Fuck?  And I'm not talking about the incoherence of that second sentence.  What The Fuck do Iran's fucked up elections have to do with a massive bombing campaign?  That's really quite revealing all by itself.  That's how fucked-in-the-head people (progressives!!!) can be.

Indeed, I have noticed all over the tubes today that wingnuts on both sides of the aisle are aching for destabilization in yet another oil-producing country.

Seriously: Fuck the fuck off people.
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Progressive assholes. | 89 comments
Those aren't progressives (4.00 / 34)
writing crap like that. and the only kind of liberals that write that kind of crap are neo-liberals - neo-cons who convince themselves that liberally applied imperialism is progressive or liberal.

"Assholes" is s good choice of words.

Okay then: pseudo-progressive shit-stinking sphincters. (4.00 / 20)
Weird-ass thinking.
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Fucked up people. (4.00 / 16)

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Speaking of FU'ed people, did anyone else see where Dennis Ross,... (0.00 / 0)
neocon supreme (and friend of Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Adelson, Kristol, Kagan, and all the rest), who has been advocating bombing Iran for years, has been promoted from his position as the go to guy on Iran in the State Department, and moved upstairs into the White House and the NSC?

I wonder what all this means? He's got the "king's ear" now. I smell trouble. For years, Ross has been doing everything he could, with whatever power he could amass, to do Israel's bidding. It sure would be nice to have the people WE pay to work in OUR government, to, you know, actually work for OUR government? Its that too fucking much to ask? Jeebus!

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." -John Kenneth Galbraith

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Forgot the link on the Dennis Ross story.... (0.00 / 0)
Here ye go:

http://voices.washingtonpost.c...

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." -John Kenneth Galbraith

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Exactly right. (4.00 / 6)
They are imperialists.  
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Bing-O!! There's so many war-mongering neocons masquerading... (4.00 / 1)
as "progressives" at the "other place", it almost makes me physically ill. That's why, since I took leave of the place during the ToqDev brouhaha, I've never been back, ....and never will go back.

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." -John Kenneth Galbraith
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Interesting I saw this comment! I was just starting a diary about (4.00 / 1)
how so many "progressives" seem to be progressive with their pet issues, such as GLBT or health insurance, but not so when it comes to foreign policy.  
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It's a fallacy of attribution. (4.00 / 14)
Just because lunatics post nonsense at dK doesn't make them progressives.

Moreover, we shouldn't indulge the same argument as O'Reilly that because something was posted on dK it makes it a liberal point of view.

Visit The Dream Antilles, a Lit Blog.

agreed, but still. (4.00 / 9)
Jeezuz Gawd, and egads, and shit.
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but they all THINK they are progressives (4.00 / 4)
Equation: Democrat = Progresive.  Since there is no consensus definition of "progressive," any fool can give themselves that title.

But as you say, "just because lunatics post nonsense ..."

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That said, there IS a large, controlling group that embraces those.... (0.00 / 0)
very sentiments, large enough (and loud enough) that it reflects on the entire site.

If the site were truly concerned about this type of b.s. (and it crops up all the time now), efforts would be made to rein these children in. Instead, they seem to be encouraged by a handful of FP'ers, and not a few members.

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." -John Kenneth Galbraith

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It has to be said. (4.00 / 10)
I've not been looking at DKos much today -- but if that's on the reclist, I'm pretty bemused...

Rock is dead. Long live paper and scissors.
This is that kind of "liberal" (4.00 / 16)
Operation Comeback
By Joshua Muravchik, October 31, 2006,
American Enterprise Institute (AEI.org)

We neoconservatives have been through a startling few years. Who could have imagined six years ago that wild stories about our influence over U.S. foreign policy would reach the far corners of the globe? The loose group of us who felt impelled by the antics of the 1960s to migrate from the political left to right must have numbered fewer than 100. And we were proven losers at Washington's power game: The left had driven us from the Democratic Party, stolen the "liberal" label, and successfully affixed to us the name "neoconservative." In reality, of course, we don't wield any of the power that contemporary legend attributes to us. Most of us don't rise at the crack of dawn to report to powerful jobs in government. But it is true that our ideas have influenced the policies of President George W. Bush, as they did those of President Ronald Reagan. That does feel good. Our intellectual contributions helped to defeat communism in the last century and, God willing, they will help to defeat jihadism in this one. It also feels good to see that a number of young people and older converts are swelling our ranks.

[snip]

Prepare to Bomb Iran. Make no mistake, President Bush will need to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities before leaving office. It is all but inconceivable that Iran will accept any peaceful inducements to abandon its drive for the bomb. Its rulers are religio-ideological fanatics who will not trade what they believe is their birthright to great power status for a mess of pottage. Even if things in Iraq get better, a nuclear-armed Iran will negate any progress there. Nothing will embolden terrorists and jihadists more than a nuclear-armed Iran.

The global thunder against Bush when he pulls the trigger will be deafening, and it will have many echoes at home. It will be an injection of steroids for organizations such as MoveOn.org. We need to pave the way intellectually now and be prepared to defend the action when it comes. In particular, we need to help people envision what the world would look like with a nuclear-armed Iran. Apart from the dangers of a direct attack on Israel or a suitcase bomb in Washington, it would mean the end of the global nonproliferation regime and the beginning of Iranian dominance in the Middle East.


I know, I know. (4.00 / 13)
They've all got itchy little fingers.  All part of the same pack.
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Exactly (4.00 / 5)
Good essay. How did I miss that one yesterday?  
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"Little" is correct, along with the rest of their appendages...... eom (0.00 / 0)


"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." -John Kenneth Galbraith
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WTF?? (4.00 / 14)
Who thinks like that? Geezus ... these are my fellow countrymen? We are truly fucked.

I look good in tin foil
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AEI (4.00 / 7)
is a "conservative" think propaganda tank...
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Iranian regional dominance: (4.00 / 8)
America persistently complains that Iran seeks "regional dominance." This, as noted in the past, is pretty funny given the fact that America has the nations on either side of Iran under military occupation. Rather more hilarious is a country that has for two centuries invoked and enforced the Monroe Doctrine (and the Roosevelt Corollary and the Clark Memo) getting sniffy about regional dominance at all.

http://whoisioz.blogspot.com/2...

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Neo-Con Ideologues Launch New Foreign Policy Group (4.00 / 7)
WASHINGTON, Mar 25 [2009] (IPS) - A newly-formed and still obscure neo-conservative foreign policy organisation is giving some observers flashbacks to the 1990s, when its predecessor staked out the aggressively unilateralist foreign policy that came to fruition under the George W. Bush administration.

The blandly-named Foreign Policy Initiative (FPI) - the brainchild of Weekly Standard editor William Kristol, neo-conservative foreign policy guru Robert Kagan, and former Bush administration official Dan Senor - has thus far kept a low profile; its only activity to this point has been to sponsor a conference pushing for a U.S. "surge" in Afghanistan.

But some see FPI as a likely successor to Kristol's and Kagan's previous organisation, the now-defunct Project for the New American Century (PNAC), which they launched in 1997 and which became best known for leading the public campaign to oust former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein both before and after the Sep. 11 attacks.

PNAC's charter members included many figures who later held top positions under Bush, including Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld, and his top deputy, Paul Wolfowitz.

FPI was founded earlier this year, but few details are available about the group, which has so far attracted no media attention. The organisation's website lists Kagan, Kristol, and Senor, who came to prominence as a spokesman for the occupation authorities in Iraq, as the three members of its board of directors.


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can't wait for the white paper. (3.00 / 3)

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Thanks for that Edger (4.00 / 2)
I'm saving that link for judicious deployment in (as they say in the House of Lords in reference to the House of Commons) "another place".

"Everything for everyone, nothing for ourselves" ~ Zapatista motto
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Most people don't seem to learn. The Who was dead wrong. (4.00 / 9)
"We won't get fooled again"!  Fuckers are getting fooled again.  
There are progressives on Dkos??? (4.00 / 16)
I didn't know that.

America is false to the past, false to the present, and solemnly binds herself to be false to the future.-Fredrick Douglass
Fuck me...I guess my above comment was foolish in that (4.00 / 11)
I and many other prized users here frequently post on Dkos.  I'm sorry for that.....It's been a tough week.

America is false to the past, false to the present, and solemnly binds herself to be false to the future.-Fredrick Douglass
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By prized users I didn't mean to refer to myself as prized... (4.00 / 12)
I meant the talented essayists here.......oh fuck it I'm through making an ass of myself.

America is false to the past, false to the present, and solemnly binds herself to be false to the future.-Fredrick Douglass
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Quit digging. We got it the first time, and (4.00 / 4)
bet you most if not all of us agree with you.   There are no real liberals on dailykos, and we are "prized".  
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actually, DK has quite the spectrum. (4.00 / 12)
the mean seems to be somewhat left-of-center, but the variance is rather large.
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*sniff* (4.00 / 8)
Well, OK, I'm more a progressive populist than any namby pamby elitist liberal (though genuine liberals are good to have around on a civil liberties fight), but still ... *sniff*

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It's not just DK (4.00 / 18)
I have seen the same kinds of comments on many liberal blogs the last two days. They usually start with...."I can't believe I am about to say this after defending Iran against Bush for so long but..."

Real smart. Lets see how long all those young people stay out in the streets protesting and demanding their own kind of change once bombs start falling on their heads. I couldn't think of a better way to unify the people around Ahmadinejad than that.

This country feels more and more like the movie "Idiocracy" everyday.  

the trouble is that the "idea" of bombing Iran has been effectively (4.00 / 10)
marketed for years, so that pulling it off the shelf and buying it is no more thought-provoking than going to the supermarket and buying Wheaties, a kind of mindless consumerism to be done without much reflection.  We've all been pre-fucked in the head by relentless propaganda.
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Great movie (0.00 / 0)
and yes, that is how we are going to turn out in 500 years.  lol

"I've come to realize we all have our place.  Time has a way, you know, to make it clear." -NIN
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It's the electrolytes we love em. (0.00 / 0)
   
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they have pretty well caught onto them at (4.00 / 2)
americablog.  Firedog lake gets them as neocon spinners too.  Kos is the only one oblivious to this, which is understandable since he made some of them front pagers.
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Another VERY astue observation and comment. ...eom (0.00 / 0)


"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." -John Kenneth Galbraith
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Dangit, meant to say "astute". Time for more light on the keyboard... eom (0.00 / 0)


"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." -John Kenneth Galbraith
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are we in mercury retrograde or sumthin? (4.00 / 7)
wtf?

lol, please understand Im not "into" this, just every once in a while. usually at these kinds of wtf moments.

At 05:01 UT (Universal Time), on Thursday, May 7th, 2009, Mercury the cosmic trickster turns retrograde at 1°44' Gemini, in the sign of the Twins, sending communications, travel, appointments, mail and the www into a general snarlup! The retro period begins some days before the actual turning point (as Mercury slows) and lasts for three weeks or so, until May 31, when the Winged Messenger reaches his direct station. At this time he halts and begins his return to direct motion through the zodiac.

Everything finally straightens out on June 14, as he passes the point where he first turned retrograde, just before Jupiter turns retrograde in Aquarius. Mercury normally turns retrograde three times a year, but this year he turns tail four times, which is unusual. The effects of each period differ, according to the sign in which it happens .

A planet is described as retrograde when it appears to be moving backwards through the zodiac. According to modern science, this traditional concept arises in the illusory planetary motion created by the orbital rotation of the earth with relation to other planets in our solar system. Planets are never actually retrograde or stationary, they just seem that way due to this cosmic shadow-play.



No justice, no peace.
Ah, its Backwards Day ... that'd explain it. nt (4.00 / 4)
«nt» signifie «non texte»  

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this is slightly better description (4.00 / 4)
pardon, in a hurry, out the door....

Retrograde planets display an erratic motion which is linked to delays, recurrences, returns to previous conditions, reversals of events, and unexpected events occurring suddenly or becoming more dramatic and intense.

A Mercury retrograde period is a difficult time to begin new projects linked to communication, networking, information-flow and travel. Extra caution is needed to ensure that messages are clearly understood and delivered; this often involves slowing things down and ensuring that compromises are not made for the sake of speed.

Mercury retrograde reminds us that efficiency is built upon stability, so think of it as a maintenance period, ideal for revisiting old problems that call for action but lay ignored. If communication problems exist, Mercury retrograde will bring them back to your attention. By taking time out to resolve them now you will be better equipped to make smooth progress in the future.



No justice, no peace.
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Maybe there is (4.00 / 7)
some kind of psychic electrical storm moving through the solar system short circuiting brains and neural systems?


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even if the magnetic field flopped, north-south, (4.00 / 2)
must we loose the nukes?  How about if we all get drunk and naked instead?  I would think the latter would be at least as reflexive.
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Digital TeeVee (4.00 / 2)
And the benevolent aliens won't let a nuclear exchange happen.

Whatever you do to others you also do to yourself!
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That may depend on who they are being benevolent towards ... (4.00 / 1)
... they may decide its wisest, to protect the ice whales of Europa, to let nature take its course over here on poor old Gaea.

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Let's ask Jerome Armstrong! ;-) nt (4.00 / 1)


"Everything for everyone, nothing for ourselves" ~ Zapatista motto
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typos corrected... (4.00 / 3)

We have been poisoned (4.00 / 15)
Plain and simple

Manifest Destiny is in our bloodstream.

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!

"Poisoned" (4.00 / 4)
is the perfect description.
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septicemia is easily treated, but it's quickly fatal left untreated. (4.00 / 5)

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Is there a treatement for (4.00 / 2)
Cancer of the Attitude?
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why, yes, there is: breadlines. (4.00 / 5)
massive economic dislocation will nicely do the trick.
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I'd prefer lobotomies followed by (4.00 / 1)
long stays in institutions run by "for profit HMO's".  
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With shock treatment before, to, you know, soften up the brain.... (0.00 / 0)
tissue..... Just kidding of course, though I am sure "they" would very much like to do that to us...

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." -John Kenneth Galbraith
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Richard Hoagland (4.00 / 2)
There is no government, there are several governments and they are at war with each other.

http://video.google.com/videop...

Whatever you do to others you also do to yourself!
Coast to Coast.... (4.00 / 1)
Art Bell is stranded in the Philippines.  They pulled his wife's passport.    
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He may be far safer there (0.00 / 0)
than CONUS.  They are saying south of the equator is best.

Whatever you do to others you also do to yourself!
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My shit list: (4.00 / 3)
1)Insurance Companies (and the senators who protect them.)

2)Progressive assholes.

3)Mean Hippies.

"Are you trying to play Darwin to the lemurs in your head?"

only 3? (4.00 / 3)
oh, do go on...! heh

No justice, no peace.
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Yeah, only 3. (4.00 / 5)
I'm a real laid back guy.

"Are you trying to play Darwin to the lemurs in your head?"
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Mean Hippies? (4.00 / 6)

you mean like this?

All that campaign cash buys a lot of stupid.

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trigger finger? (4.00 / 2)

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Meh.... the old (0.00 / 0)
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Mean Hippies are not as (4.00 / 1)
all inclusive as they talk. They push you on the dance floor when you accidently bump into them. They say non-all inclusive things like,"Uh, do you think you could call before you drop by?" They say as Rebel is trying to relax at the local hippie bar "Who is that? Bettlejuice?" Abbie Hoffmanwas was a patriot and teacher.

"Are you trying to play Darwin to the lemurs in your head?"
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You might hate this... (2.80 / 5)
...but I can grok the sentiment. No, I haven't read the Kos diary and don't plan to. But it occurred to me just last night while messaging a one-liner to my hubby at a gig - "Tehran is on fire."

Now, the Israeli's don't need the 'progressive' blogosphere to give them permission to take out Iran's nuclear facilities. They managed Osirak on their own quite well. But now just might be a good time to set 'em back another decade, if some country nearby had a mind to.

Given that it's Iran's nuclear weapons ambitions that are a regular big problem for the so-called 'civilized world'. Always have been. Nobody's talking about nuking Iran, or carpet-bombing the rioting populace, or marching an invasion army across the border. Hell, they're not even talking about well-targeted assasso-missiles to take out the bad guys. Google Osirak. It'll help put things in perspective.

Some are born to weirdness, some attain weirdness and others have weirdness thrust upon them...
- OPOL

first, what's your evidence for Iran's "nuclear ambitions?" (4.00 / 4)
Second, what was civilized about Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Third, what is Israel's relation to the NPT?

Fourth, even if Iran were pursuing a weapon, who in their right mind thinks it woulld be for any purpose other than deterrence of imperial aggression?  MAD, and all that?

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Evidence? (4.00 / 1)
First and second, I don't automatically buy what's on the news or written in the histories, but I've no reason to automatically reject any of it either. Third, what's NPT?

Fourth, wow. I don't think anybody needs nukes, including us. I certainly do not support the idea of passing them out to die-hard megalomaniacs, incurable barbarians, religious fanatics, suicide bombers, or anybody's Ayatollahs.

Some are born to weirdness, some attain weirdness and others have weirdness thrust upon them...
- OPOL

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So by your logic (4.00 / 1)
While we were in the streets protesting the illegal invasion of Iraq, you think it would have been OK for some other country, say Iran, to bomb our nuclear facilities?  You know, just a few surgical strikes?


"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." -- Rahm Emanuel
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Why would I think that? (0.00 / 0)
Besides, nobody needs to bomb our nukes. They bomb themselves.

Some are born to weirdness, some attain weirdness and others have weirdness thrust upon them...
- OPOL
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FYI, Joy (4.00 / 3)
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Ah, so. (0.00 / 0)
History has it that Israel never had to deal with the NPT, because they got their nukes from us, early on. For keeping them fit, there was Kerr-McGee's plutonium plant in Cimmaron, which "lost" some 44 pounds before they were shut down.

And while they remain up there on the list of primary arms dealers on the planet, I haven't heard about them selling bombs, bomb parts or bomb components to the highest bidders on the black market. I'd ask someone at Brewster-Jennings about that, but they no longer exist. Funny thing about that...

Some are born to weirdness, some attain weirdness and others have weirdness thrust upon them...
- OPOL

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Mush Dispute About Osirak Reactor (4.00 / 1)
The pro-Israeli propaganda has it as part of an Iraqi nuclear weapons program, evidence also shows that this attack spurred Saddam to seriously try and develop a nuclear capapbility, which was not happening before Israel's act of war.

Authoritarian political ideologies have a vested interest in promoting fear. ----Susan Sontag
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All reactors are part of a nuclear weapons (4.00 / 1)
program everywhere--otherwsie they make no sense at all.
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In what universe? (4.00 / 4)
There's this thing called nuclear power.  

"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." -- Rahm Emanuel
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Which makes zero sense economically (4.00 / 1)
unless the government wants it for reasons of implied threats, prestige, or fissionable by-products.

That's THIS universe.

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The reason we... (4.00 / 1)
...(giddily pro-nuclear US) don't freely give or sell the technology to certain nations is that all nuclear processes present a proliferation risk. That's clear and irrefutable, has been thus ever since science figured out how to initiate a chain reaction, enrich the concentration of particular isotopes, and separate isotopes from the waste. IOW, a legitimate National Security concern.

Some are born to weirdness, some attain weirdness and others have weirdness thrust upon them...
- OPOL
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Problem is, it won't "set 'em back another decade". What it will do.... (4.00 / 1)
is explode a powder keg in the Middle East, the likes of which the world has never seen before, at least there.

Try $10 gas, and terrorist attacks from one end of the country to the other. Think our economy is screwed up now? Is this a price WE'RE will to pay, so the Israelis can sleep a little better at night?

You know, I just don't get any of this. Israel possesses some of the most sophisticated nuclear weaponry on the planet, and could turn all of Iran into a block of glass in about 5 minutes. The Iranians know this, the Israelis know this, and so does much of the rest of the world.

So what is Israel so damned scared of? Do they really think the Iranian nation is completely, totally, suicidally insane? I don't think so.  Even turban wearing nutter ayatollahs want to wake up in the morning.  


"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." -John Kenneth Galbraith

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thanks, cf (4.00 / 2)
i came close to hring the atj tonight, but that would have meant leaving a comment and and i didn't want to get involved in that mess.  had too much catch up stuff to do after being gone all day yesterday to read the comments, but i hope more than bicycle hussein paladin spoke up.

aka conchita
My impression of a #1 rec'd Dkos diary.... (4.00 / 6)
Ahem!

"I don't understand why everyone is ganging up against Obama who was forced to tell DOMA that he agreed with the courts that gays shouldn't marry.  

We all have to remember that his hands are tied and he has to watch his step so as not to give the GOP any ammo to cause us to lose seats.

He may have an all Democrat majority but that certainly doesn't mean that he can just push our views through legislation."

And that's all I got because I just threw up.

Why is it so hard to sell out my core beliefs to become an Obama apologist?

Oh I YEARN to be accepted by such a crowd!


Photobucket


Banned for eternity from the Daily Kos

Sleazy DailyKos (4.00 / 2)
Who gives a rat-fuck what that disgusting circle-jerking nest of blinkered shills, tools, goons, thugs and morons at DailyKos think, write, believe, say or do?

DailyKos on ANY issue: "I know the Democrats aren't doing the right thing here but would you rather have REPUBLICANS in power!?  Hmm?  Hmmm!!??"

It's the single most idiotic site on the net.

Is there a difference except for sexual preference? n.t (0.00 / 0)

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DK has many, many fine writers. (4.00 / 5)
And many, many fine people.  Sure, it has its share of others, as well, but your characterization really misses the mark by a wise margin.  The reason I noted this particular diary was because the mentality reflected in parts of the diary struck me as out of the mainstream for the site, surprisingly, unconscionably, and remarkably so.

My diary is hardly a condemnation of DK in general, but it was most definitely a warning shot for this particular brand of irresponsible thinking.

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I fully agree. (4.00 / 1)
Just clicked on to scan the front page (I mostly stay away since being pummeled by the pro-war crowd, lost my TU status). There's kos defending the lack of coverage on Iran, saying "this is a site about domestic politics." Events in Iran have no relevance to U.S. politics? So we have yet another thing dkos "isn't" (along with relevant and tolerant).
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And then Kos posts a bunch of tidbits (4.00 / 1)
that have nothing to do with electoral politics that I can see.

There are many excellent writers at Dkos and many good people.  I learned about Russ Feingold through Dkos and I will always be grateful for that, among other things.

But IMO Dkos is in danger of becoming the very thing that they have been railing against: just like the dead tree/tv media pundits spinning 1 view point and allowing no dissent - all for the sake of getting inside the halls of power to change it for the better (so they say - everyone who strives to get inside and be an influence on the TPTB tell themselves it is to make things better)but the system will change them.  I think it has begun to already.

The press that never rests just waits for somebody's soul they can eat - Megadeth

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Who cares? (4.00 / 2)
That's exactly why I left there.

"I've come to realize we all have our place.  Time has a way, you know, to make it clear." -NIN
I care, because it's one of the biggest, most influential sites (4.00 / 7)
around.  DK does a lot of heavy lifting with respect to analysis and grooming and profiling.  Being personally banned from the joint (for god knows why) doesn't alter my thinking about that.

Hell, DK deserves kudos just for making Jamie Kirchik hallucinate about the insects under skin on NPR today.  Listening to him lose his shit was awesome.

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I always thought (4.00 / 1)
that progressive was a term that was thought up because liberal was at that time a dirty word. Still is I guess.
No surprise there. That's the nature of the site. (4.00 / 1)
The number 1 rec'd diary at DKos contains the following formulation:

It's mainstream Democratic Party line over there. Anyone who contradicts it gets called every name in the book. Their explicitly stated purpose is "to elect Dem candidates." Let's face it: "[D]estabilization in ... oil-producing countr[ies]" is mainstream corporate Democratic Party policy.  

Right, but... (4.00 / 1)
... the deal is that as long as people call themselves liberals or progressives, well, they are!

No? ;-)



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Of course! rofl (4.00 / 1)

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