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by: Inky99

Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 23:34:50 PDT        
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The Obama administration just approved two-dozen more of what you see in this picture.

It's called "mountaintop removal".  It's a somewhat accurate name, like "detainee" is a technically accurate name for "political prisoner".

Fuck Obama.  This guy fucking lied to us to get into office so that he could continue the policies of the Bush administration.

He's a goddamn liar, nothing but a slick con artist who manipulated millions of people's emotions and passions and good natures so that he could get into office and be nothing but a tool for the same gangsters and crooks who have had their way with us for countless years now.  

Inky99 :: Fuck Obama
Here's more, from a fellow named Paul Street:


Left-progressives' anger with the Obama administration is understandable given the new White House's actions to (for example):

* Significantly expand the reach and intensity of imperial violence (replete with the mass slaughter of civilians and the related escalation of targeted assassinations) in South Asia.

* Promote a notorious assassin and death-squad leader (Lt. General Stanley A McChrystal - former chief of the military's special Joint Special Operations Command) to the position of Commander of U.S. Forces in the newly merged "Af-Pak" war theater. [1]

* Sustain the criminal occupation of Iraq beneath rhetoric of withdrawal. [2]

* Increase "defense" (empire) spending, consistent with the following statement in a report issued by the leading Wall Street investment firm Morgan Stanley one day after Obama's presidential election victory: "As we understand it, Obama has been advised and agrees that there is no peace dividend."[3]

* Revive military commissions.

* Continue the practice of renditions.

* Maintain secret prisons for persons "held on a short-term, transitory basis."

* Continue the unspeakable torture of prisoners by an "extrajudicial terror squad" (Jeremy Scahill's description of the Pentagon's sadistic "Immediate Reaction Force" in Cuba) at Guantanamo Bay. [4]

* Advance the policy of "indefinite detention" (potentially permanent incarceration) for Guantanamo prisoners for whom no legally compelling evidence can be marshaled.

* Intimidate England (with a threat to withhold intelligence data on potential terrorist attacks!) into preventing a Guantanamo victim from having his day in court on the Bush administration's torture practices. [5]

* Sustain the Bush administration's abrogation of habeas corpus rights in regard to the roughly 600 "enemy combatants" kept at the Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan (where people rendered out of other countries like Yemen and England can be considered "war [-zone]" prisoners!. [6]

* Advance nauseatingly specious legal and moral arguments ("better to look forward than backward") to prevent serious federal investigation of the Bush administration's human rights crimes.

* Sustain George W. Bush's domestic wiretapping program.

* Invoke the "state secrets" (akin to the divine right of kings) doctrine to prevent disclosure of evidence in response to lawsuits emerging from Bush era rendition and surveillance policies.

* Suppress photographic evidence of U.S. torture practices.

* Justify all this and more in the name of the supposed "global war on terror" that was supposedly launched in legitimate defense against the supposedly unprovoked jetliner attacks of September 11, 2001.

* Disregard qualified progressive defenders of civil liberties and human rights from consideration for appointment to succeed Supreme Justice David H. Souter and to thereby counter the hard right leanings of the court's conservative majority. [7]

* Send clear signals of intent to roll back and partially privatize Social Security and Medicare benefits.

* Betray campaign pledges to renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) to insert stronger labor and environmental protections. [7A]

* Betray campaign pledges of serious intent to advance an elementary and overdue labor law reform (the Employee Free Choice Act).

* Force and approve an automobile industry re-structuring that drastically cuts domestic autoworkers' jobs, wages and benefits while subsidizing General Motors' further shifting of jobs abroad. [8]

* Advance a tepid, business-friendly health care "reform" that leaves the leading parasitic insurance corporations (major campaign sponsors of his) in power.

* "Methodically erase single-payer advocates from the picture" (Glen Ford) of health care reform despite the fact that a majority of Americans have long favored a single-payer ("Medicare for all") health insurance system. [9]

* Spend trillions of federal dollars on taxpayer handouts to giant Wall Street firms who spent millions on his campaign and who drove the economy over the cliff.  Obama's Wall Street bailout rejects the elementary bank nationalizations and public financial restructuring that are required to put the nation's credit system on a sound and socially responsible basis, choosing instead to guarantee the financial, insurance, and real estate industries' toxic, hyper-inflated assets while keeping existing Wall Street management in place.  It amounts to a giant effort to "keep perpetrators afloat" (liberal economist James Gailbraith) through a scheme in which  the government takes more than 90 percent of the risk but private investors reap at least half the reward.

I could go on. It's not a pretty story. And it's only going to get worse.

I voted because ....... why?

I voted Democratic because ...... why?

I worked to get Democrats in office for ..... what?

Fuck Obama.  

And fuck the Democratic Party.  

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Fuck Obama | 54 comments
We were conned. (4.00 / 16)
I may never vote again.  

"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." -- Rahm Emanuel

MTR is a crime against the planet. (4.00 / 6)
I live in the southern Appalachians, but our mountains have basically zero coal. Do have regular-size strip mines for feldspar, micah and other minerals, but nothing drastic. What we're working on is a law against industries and/or utilities in this state using coal mined by MTR. It came close last session, may make it this fall.

A case of who you vote for (per our state offices and legislators) being "important" in reality.  

Some are born to weirdness, some attain weirdness and others have weirdness thrust upon them...
- OPOL


[ Parent ]
I had no false illusions about Obama (4.00 / 13)
I voted to make sure Sarah Palin never got near the line of succession.

That said, the astounding betrayal rate Obama is currently achieving makes me wonder if Obama is doing more damage than Palin could have.

We've got to vote. We may have to cast the votes for a newly created party.


Yeah, we had great choices... (4.00 / 10)
John "I'm stupid enough to put Palin on the ticket" McCain/Sarah "I'm just stupid" Palin

or

Barack "I'm not stupid, I'm just a lying sack of shit" Obama/Joe "I can't keep my foot out of my mouth" Biden

Great choice... We got the lying sack of shit.

Of course, we got the same policies whichever way we voted.

The "rule of law"; it applies to you and me, but not the rich, the Republican or the celebrity. Welcome to America!  aka... Motley Patriot


[ Parent ]
Yeahbut... (4.00 / 9)
You don't honestly believe by the time We the People get to vote, that there's anyone possibly dangerous to the status quo to vote for, do you? Heck, I can remember a time when if someone possibly dangerous or even just changed their mind about some status quo thing or other managed to get in the gate, they just assassiinated 'em.

The only reason we get what appears to be some kind of choice is to prevent us from revolting. Which happens about every 20 years or so.

Some are born to weirdness, some attain weirdness and others have weirdness thrust upon them...
- OPOL


[ Parent ]
Agreed, (4.00 / 6)
I'm afraid that even if Obama was all that we had hoped it wouldn't have lasted long, the powers that be would have found a way to remove him from power.

[ Parent ]
Don't vote -- it's your best move. (4.00 / 9)
R or D, it doesn't really matter.  (You think Sotomayer isn't an inside player?)

Voting R or D only affirms the corrupt system.

Or if you feel you must vote (as I still basically do), vote for Ralph, or the commie, or the Green -- anyone but the R or D.

This is the only effective way for Americans to rebel.

Thanks for the title, Inky.  It's way past time to tell it like it is.


Government is complicated. (4.00 / 7)
And politics is the name of the game. Voting - which I never did until I basically 'retired' to a home I intended to live in the rest of my life - is just a show on the national level, but actually important on local/state levels.

What we need is a viable Progressive Party. It would take awhile to get good candidates into local/state positions and be taken seriously, but it can be done. But to be done, it must be played. The game, that is.

Nobody in their right mind would seriously want to elect an executive or legislator who can't dance, even on the opposition side. A revolution without dancing is a revolution not worth having...

Some are born to weirdness, some attain weirdness and others have weirdness thrust upon them...
- OPOL


[ Parent ]
A good way to jump start a progressive party (4.00 / 5)
is to encourage the progressives in congress to join.  That would automatically overcome the obstacle of people not being able to picture it in office then we could build from there.

Frankly it would be wonderful if the libertarians would take on the republicans from the right.  Libertarians don't believe in torture and wouldn't have wasted our money on the bankers.


[ Parent ]
Vote for the crook, it's important. (4.00 / 1)
Remember that?

I never believed Obama; and from day one, all I could think of was Elmer Gantry every time I heard him.  He was being sold and force fed down everyone's throat on dailykos, and the "kids" were smitten.  When Carline K.  said she was supporting Obama because her "kids" enthusiasm sold her, I wondered why she couldn't just get them a pony instead.

Obama has pushed me over the edge.  He is the last damned D I vote for just because they aren't an R.  Even if they aren't running, I will write in Kucinich, Dorghan, Sanders, or Nader.  I'm done with this game.  And yes, fuck them.  


[ Parent ]
Fuck (4.00 / 2)
Barry Soetoro!

Whatever you do to others you also do to yourself!

I voted for Ralph! (4.00 / 6)
Mainly because in Indiana you can only vote for declared write-in candidates, so I couldn't vote for Dennis.

Grrrrr....

Here's some more to say "FUCK BO" about:
http://rjones2818.blogspot.com...

They're starting the 'we can't afford the safety net' attack.  Surprise, surprise.

The Kucinich Plan (simplified):
1) Be a Democrat.
2) Think like a Democrat.
3) Vote like a Democrat.
4) Lead like a Democrat.
5) Live like a Democrat.
http://kucinich.us


And now they want to loot UAW (4.00 / 5)
And give it to the banks.

How Obama's 'Car Czar' Steve Rattner Is Bankrupting GM


Stevie the Rat has a sinister plan for GM: grab its worker pension funds to pay off $6 billion in loans to the likes of JP Morgan and Citibank.

Pretty soon we're all gonna be living in absolute squalor and there will be nothing more for them to loot.  Then what?

"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." -- Rahm Emanuel


[ Parent ]
But his speech. It was so good wasn't it. I didn't listen or read it (4.00 / 4)
but I'm sure it was a home run.  In fact, according to this dude:

Immediately after the wide-ranging speech, Marwan Bishara, Al Jazeera's senior political analyst, said it helped undo "the harm done by the Bush administration."

Imagine that, a speech, has helped undo the harm Bush did!  


My English grandfathers story: (4.00 / 4)
Two blokes were standing around Tralfalgar Square, when suddenly one of the said:

"Fuck the Queen"

The other one thought for a while and finally said < in cockney >

" You can't do that ! "

" (you know you can't even approach 'er!)  "



This shit shouldn't even be legal (4.00 / 4)
It's criminal.  

Obama is a fraud.  

"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." -- Rahm Emanuel


So here's what Free Republic (4.00 / 2)
looks like with a Left bias. You are the Left's answer to the Angry right, right? Invective and over-the-top rhetoric for the sake of inducing hatred. Everything is personal and vicious. Limbaugh cum Lefty.

And you're the (4.00 / 6)
don't rock the boat, stay the course, status quo, things could be lots worse person.  Y'know...one of the reasons autoworkers didn't rise up to defend their jobs, 'cause they didn't want to rock the boat.  You get the idea.

The Kucinich Plan (simplified):
1) Be a Democrat.
2) Think like a Democrat.
3) Vote like a Democrat.
4) Lead like a Democrat.
5) Live like a Democrat.
http://kucinich.us


[ Parent ]
Oh, I rock the boat plenty (4.00 / 2)
Just don't feel the need for all the invective and hatred.

[ Parent ]
Its not hatred (4.00 / 3)
It's rage.

Angry at being lied to. Angry at seeing the power brokers and status quo violate the law that they uphold. Commit crimes of humanity, steal from those that can least afford it ... and then stand up at the podium and profess that they are the true defenders of freedom and the working class.

FUCK R, FUCK D

Vote third party it is our only hope.  

I look good in tin foil


[ Parent ]
OK, I'll grant you that (0.00 / 0)
and I'll grant that the Right is equally angry. Which, I suppose, makes it OK to utter any old thing in anger. From FreeRepublic, where they too are just angry:


Mr. BO brings slavery to my death and to my grandkids futures. He is one sick minded SOB

We need to pick several hot spots where terrorist are getting support and areas where they live and nuke the whole freaking area.

Kill them by the hundereds of thousands, millions if need be to prevent this from happening.

Start with Iran, tommorrow.

Barack Osama, the Kenyan god-king, and his court jester Joe bin Biden will save us. Don't worry.

The thing about Obambi is that his rhetoric is NOTHING MORE THAN VACUOUS CLICHES, BOILERPLATE, EMPTY CRAP THAT READS AS IF IT"S UNTOUCHED BY HUMAN HANDS, no matter whether we're talking about George Tiller, or this young soldier who's a victim of Islamic derangement. BOTH of them are shot through with that special Obama B.S.

As Justice Potter Stewart opined of pornography: "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it."  


[ Parent ]
Waste of time on your part. (4.00 / 1)
Inky infuses reason with rage, for emphasis.

[ Parent ]
These folks do too. (4.00 / 1)
Does that make it right, though? I suppose that's the question for me at the end of the day.

People call others' "rage" against Sotomayor "racist." And against Tiller's murder "terrorist abetting." And against Democrats "hateful," "divisive." Is this simply a double standard or somehow different when its the Left calling the names?


[ Parent ]
I think yours is a very unfair comparison. (4.00 / 2)
The right was ranting and raging all the while it was getting what it wanted over the last 30 plus years.  

As a member of the "real Democratic Party", the only thing I ever got over the last 30 plus years was the last good Democrat shot.   As the saying goes, if you aren't angry - you aren't paying attention.  They didn't stop Viet Nam by not being angry.


[ Parent ]
mskinsa (4.00 / 1)
you aren't alone in your thinking.
rant is "the" currency of this (internet) medium.

effective?
for letting off steam.
influencing people?
to let off steam.  :-)

some think anger can push people.
i'm not one of them.
maybe because my thinking is stretched by ideas, not emotion.

good luck.  don't know you, just wanted to say "hi."


No ponies, but
"Please pass the lotus flower..."  


[ Parent ]
The right is always angry (4.00 / 4)
They swing from fear to anger no matter who is in power. They are vacuous reactionary simpletons who have nothing left but extreme emotional outbursts.

The difference ... they don't even know why, nor do they stop, think or care why

All they know is Clinton got a blow job in the oval office.

Inky lays out, albeit passionately, the reasons for his disenchantment.

I look good in tin foil


[ Parent ]
Sorry (4.00 / 3)
that you haven't figured out how things work in this country.  Yet.

Hopefully you will soon.

I'm glad you're enjoying the reign of Bush the Third.



"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." -- Rahm Emanuel


[ Parent ]
Oh, I've figured it out (4.00 / 2)
and served to protect and defend it. But when it sounds like a rant off of RedState or FreeRepublic, it sounds just like what it is ... childish, juvenile and hateful. Get all the ponies you like and all the recommends, doesn't change the tone. And doesn't make what you say more right.

[ Parent ]
So the founding fathers (4.00 / 1)
who got angry enough to put their lives and fortunes on the line because they were seriously pissed off were "childish juvenile and hateful?"

I mean, c'mon.  We're talking about the con job of all con jobs.  We're talking about a man who was sold to millions of people as something he is NOT.  We're talking about someone who emotionally raped the entire fucking country.

We're talking about the very DEATH of DEMOCRACY in the United States.  

And you think we should be, what, polite?

You might find it more to your liking over at Dailykos, in those Al Rodgers diaries.

Most of the people here have moved beyond that, and that's why we're here.



"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." -- Rahm Emanuel


[ Parent ]
I think you should be honest (4.00 / 1)
If you want to go on a tear, I'm all for it. In my old Army career we used to say, "If the troops aren't bitching, they ain't happy." I get vetching.

What I disagree with is bald-faced falsehoods and the implication that when one disagrees with you they are somehow "deluded," "conned," or "unsophisticated a la Al Rodgers."

The lack of sophistication is yours. Your ability to create a politician in your own image is fascinating yet dishonest.

Fuck Obama.  This guy fucking lied to us to get into office so that he could continue the policies of the Bush administration.

An objective observation of his positions, not whatever idealistic view you cast upon him, is noted here succinctly:

A review of Obama's campaign statements show that he had expressed concern about the practice without promising to end it.

You, in Limbaugh-esque fashion chose to ignore the facts of the matter and instead took this tack:

1. Bash the obvious object of your ire to gain popular acclaim by claiming untruths as fact;
2. Exaggerate the impact of your thesis;
3. Appeal to the authority of the Founding Fathers when you have no valid reasoning; and,
4. Devolve into ad hominem attack against anyone who dares call you on your bullshit.

Rather Rush-like. Congrats on becoming his left-wing foil. And rah-rah to you and your cheerleaders.


[ Parent ]
Name one thing (0.00 / 0)
Obama has done that actually keeps any of the promises he made in order to get into office.

One.  

He's been in office for half a year now.  1/8 of his first term.

And what has he accomplished?  With control of both houses and a super-high approval rating?

Why are you making excuses for the guy by attacking me for pointing it out??

"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." -- Rahm Emanuel


[ Parent ]
I really mounted one vicious attack (4.00 / 2)
you think. Well imagine, I did so without once invoking a "Fuck Inky99." In unsurprisingly disingenuous fashion, you say when you attack, it's "pointing it out;" when I "point it out," it's "making excuses for the guy" and "attacking me." Hannity-style formulation of the argument.

And those coming to your defense? Hell, I was practically called UnAmerican (where I have heard that before) for straying outside your herd.

And you're the   (4.00 / 4)
don't rock the boat, stay the course, status quo, things could be lots worse person.

Four of your fans hit that.


Sorry   (4.00 / 3)
that you haven't figured out how things work in this country.  Yet.

Failure to march in lockstep, lemming compliance - I must be "other" - can "Go to RedState" or "Rightwing nutjob" be far behind?

And if you say I'm "defending" by pointing out alternate facts to those you propose, then you place yourself in the role of "prosecuting" - neither is dispassionate in mounting its case and thus has an agenda disinterested in the pursuit of the truth.

Oh, and to your:

Name one thing   (0.00 / 0)
Obama has done that actually keeps any of the promises he made in order to get into office.

One.  

In no particular order, from Politifact:

Obama unveils plan to aid homeowners

What a difference a year makes. In 2008, presidential candidate Barack Obama talked about a plan to help homeowners with subprime mortgages refinance loans or sell their homes. About $10 billion should suffice, he said at the time.

The months went by, the economy worsened, and Obama won the election. On Feb. 18, 2009, President Obama unveiled his plan. Price tag: $75 billion.

Obama signs credit card bill of rights

On the campaign trail, President Barack Obama promised to clean up the credit card industry by establishing a consumers bill of rights. No more "any time, any reason" rate increases, no more confusing contracts, he said.

Once in office, Obama wasted little time weaving that promise into speeches and town hall meetings, saying that "it's time for reform that is built on transparency, accountability, and mutual responsibility - values fundamental to the new foundation we seek to build for our economy." On April 23, 2009, he told credit card company executives that he was supporting the consumer credit card bill of rights already inching its way through Congress.

The bill passed and Obama signed it on May 22, 2009, despite worries from the banking industry that it would reduce credit availability during the economic crisis

Obama signs SCHIP

Back in 2007, President Bush twice vetoed legislation expanding SCHIP, a health insurance program for low-income children. Democrats vowed it would be one of the first things they addressed under a new administration.

On Feb. 4, 2009, President Obama signed a new SCHIP law.

Obama signs Ledbetter Act

Obama included a vow to reverse the effects of the Ledbetter decision in a major campaign document, his "Blueprint for Change."

Fast forward to Jan. 29, 2009. President Obama signed the Ledbetter Act, saying, "Ultimately, equal pay isn't just an economic issue for millions of Americans and their families. It's a question of who we are and whether we're truly living up to our fundamental ideals." Promise Kept.

There's more, but I'm over my quota of one.


[ Parent ]
You are almost funny, in a snarky sort of way, (4.00 / 1)
except I think you're actually being serious.

So here's what Free Republic (4.00 / 1)
looks like with a Left bias. You are the Left's answer to the Angry right, right? Invective and over-the-top rhetoric for the sake of inducing hatred. Everything is personal and vicious. Limbaugh cum Lefty.

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by: mksinsa @ Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 11:34:22 PDT

Let's see...

You compare Inky99 to freepers (bad form)
You say Inky99 is the left's answer to the angry right (bad form)
Invective and over-the-top rhetoric for the sake of inducing hatred (Invective and over-the-top rhetoric for the sake of inducing hatred on your part)
Everything is personal and vicious (pot...meet kettle)
Limbaugh cum Lefty (pretty low).

See...you forgot tor read what YOU wrote.  Perhaps you need to go back and think about what you've written and see if it actually fits within whatever your wish for discourse here on DD is.  My guess is, if you do so and are truthful with yourself, that it won't.

The Kucinich Plan (simplified):
1) Be a Democrat.
2) Think like a Democrat.
3) Vote like a Democrat.
4) Lead like a Democrat.
5) Live like a Democrat.
http://kucinich.us


[ Parent ]
Bad form to disagree with Great Leader? (4.00 / 1)

Anyone who does not feel the way Inky does  (4.00 / 6)
has not grasped what has happened to this country, I believe.

Or is on the gravy train.

Feel free to rummage through any of my posts here and my lone diary then feel equally free to point out my hypocrisies. I haven't forgotten what I've written. In this case, in this diary, it's not snark. It is perhaps a dissenting view but I believe that's what Buhdy said was welcome here.

I stand by my quote above and if it's such bad form to dissent with a diarist in his own diary, to criticize it in the manner and tone in which it is written, then what is the point of having open dialogue?


[ Parent ]
You miss the point. (0.00 / 0)
If you are wanting to conduct civil discourse (from what I can take from your postings on this topic), then you should try to be civil.  When I say bad form, I don't think there is a 'form' here at DD other than "Be Good To Each Other (Or Else)."  I think it's bad form from what you seem to be supporting.  

I stand by my quote above and if it's such bad form to dissent with a diarist in his own diary, to criticize it in the manner and tone in which it is written, then what is the point of having open dialogue?

If you choose to critcize a post for it's tone, and do so in the tone you are criticizing, then it is hypocrasy.  If you choose to support Mr. "Hope" and "Change you can believe in," so be it.  Understand that lots of people feel somewhat aghast at what he is doing, and some even beyond that.

The Kucinich Plan (simplified):
1) Be a Democrat.
2) Think like a Democrat.
3) Vote like a Democrat.
4) Lead like a Democrat.
5) Live like a Democrat.
http://kucinich.us


[ Parent ]
If you sincerely believe (4.00 / 1)
what you've typed here, I offer you a challenge.

Following are your descriptions of bad form in which you use the words I typed in my introductory comment. Beneath them, I have provided either examples from this essay in response or quotes from Right Wing pundits supporting that premise.

This challenge is for you, rjones2818, and you alone, so that may I be informed by some empirical evidence exactly what it is of mine that you propose as bad form. It could be that I have stepped outside the bounds of civility and, if your examples of my words demonstrate this, I will atone for it in this public square.


You compare Inky99 to freepers (bad form)

Essay Headline: Fuck Obama
From FreeRepublic:
F*ck Obama. We aren't giving up anything.
F*ck Obama, F*ck the media.


You say Inky99 is the left's answer to the angry right (bad form)

Inky99: I voted Democratic because ...... why? I worked to get Democrats in office for ..... what? Fuck Obama. And fuck the Democratic Party.

FreeRepublic: Um, sorry. Most Republicans have no balls. Better luck next time. Vote THEIR ASSES OUT! Then, we can play ball.


Invective and over-the-top rhetoric for the sake of inducing hatred (Invective and over-the-top rhetoric for the sake of inducing hatred on your part)

Fuck Obamafucking liedgoddamn liarslick con artista tool for the same gangsters and crooks


Everything is personal and vicious (pot...meet kettle)

Fuck Obamafucking liedgoddamn liarslick con artista tool for the same gangsters and crooks

Limbaugh cum Lefty (pretty low)

Inky99:  He's a goddamn liar ... manipulated millions of people's emotions and passions and good natures so that he could get into office.

Limbaugh: Barack Obama's a flat-out liar. He's a manipulator of words; he's a manipulator of events.

~~~~~~~
Now, if you accept this challenge, rjones2818, I would ask that where I have inserted instances from the essay, you find equivalent (not gratuitous) lack of civility in my comments. Where I have used examples from external sites, please point out where the comparison fails.

This is my final post in this essay other than to publish a comment of apology should your examples demonstrate a need for it.


[ Parent ]
So? (0.00 / 0)
Listen, in the past eight years I've found myself agreeing, more than once, with the likes of Pat Buchanan.

If you'd told me thirty years ago I'd one day agree with anything that came out of Pat Buchanan's mouth, I would have told you you were nuts.

What's disingenous about your "argument" however is that you're equating words with meaning.

Jeff Christie's (that's "Rush") words are ALWAYS lies.  When he says Obama is a liar, he's doing it for a reason, with an agenda.

When I say Obama is a liar, I'm simply stating a fact.

Because he and I are using the same words, you're equating me with him?

That's just silly.

I mean, c'mon, I'm sure Rush Limbaugh and I have both uttered the words "I'd sure like a beer" or "man that woman is hot" or WHATEVER.

So what?

Your argument is vapid.  The only thing you seem angry about is that people are agreeing with me.   That's not my problem, or even my fault.


"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." -- Rahm Emanuel


[ Parent ]
It's not a popularity contest for me (4.00 / 1)
and I'm certainly never angry about holding a minority opinion. My folks raised me to think independently and not run with the pack. I have found in life that standing by what one believes and doing what one thinks is right very often cut across the popular grain.

You're welcome to your opinion ("Your argument is vapid," etc.) but I await rjones2818's response to my challenge. I recognize your tactic here but I'll wait for the data, thanks.

/exception to final post in essay to respond to author.


[ Parent ]
I may misunderstand... (4.00 / 1)
I'm under the impression you wish to conduct 'civil' discourse (all well and good).

If not, I apologize.  If so I'll put this one thought (I think the rest follow in the same line):

Essay Headline: Fuck Obama
From FreeRepublic:
F*ck Obama. We aren't giving up anything.
F*ck Obama, F*ck the media.

Now, this is not in the line of civil discourse, to my mind, even if it shows to be correct under some circumstances.  Remember, you're the one who barged in wanting civil discourse.  I have no problem with your characterization, but I also have no problem with someone saying f BO (I'm somewhat from the Thomas Merton school - Moderation in all things, including moderation) as I think it breaks the teflon Obama seems to have with 'progressives.'

The Kucinich Plan (simplified):
1) Be a Democrat.
2) Think like a Democrat.
3) Vote like a Democrat.
4) Lead like a Democrat.
5) Live like a Democrat.
http://kucinich.us


[ Parent ]
Anyone who does not feel the way Inky does (4.00 / 7)
has not grasped what has happened to this country, I believe.

Or is on the gravy train.


So, to understand what has happened (4.00 / 4)
to this country, one must feel as Inky does and express himself in like manner? Would that not make me as sheeple as those who would blindly follow the likes of Obama, Pelosi, Limbaugh, Perry, kos, Buhdy or any other popular character? I'd never trade my individuality nor my beliefs for that sort of dittoheaddom.

[ Parent ]
So, do you understand that this country (4.00 / 4)
is run by giant U.S. corporations?

If not, well, I guess the conversation is ended.

If you do, what's your problem with Inky?

He gets it right, as far as I'm concerned.


[ Parent ]
I don't accept pre-conditions (4.00 / 1)
for agreement of positions in blog discussions. Thus, our conversation has ended.

[ Parent ]
Is your problem what he says? Or how he says it? (4.00 / 2)
because you don't say.

[ Parent ]
I have no idea (4.00 / 1)
what you're talking about now.

Unless you just don't like the "f" word, which is fine if you don't.

That I understand.   I don't really understand anything else you're saying.

If you think we shouldn't be royally pissed off, well, then like the bumper sticker says I don't think you've been paying enough attention.

"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." -- Rahm Emanuel


[ Parent ]
Things don't change overnight. (4.00 / 2)
Sheez. If he overreaches too soon, the entire agenda, including a future ban on this practice in a few years, is KAPUT.

This has the whiff of extremism like the religious right turning on Bush because he didn't "outlaw" abortion with the stroke of a pen. This stuff is not easy. We shouldn't expect it to be.

But we should keep fighting and calling Obama out on these policies without saying "Fuck Obama" but instead keep developing the political climate to make a ban feasible in a very short time.

It's a game of chess, not an arm wrestle.


Oh sure. The 'keep your powder dry" argument (4.00 / 5)
That failed in 2006.  

That was exposed for the fraud that it is then.

The Dems are just as bad as the Repubs.  

Name one thing Obama has actually done, one promise he's actually kept.

In case you haven't noticed, he's in power, he's popular, and he has a majority in both houses.

There are no excuses.  Absolutely none.


"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." -- Rahm Emanuel


[ Parent ]
That's not fair. Not what I said at all. (4.00 / 2)
I am as critical as you are of that argument and think Congress has given up way too much power to try and get more seats.

But that is quite different than simple political pragmatism so as not to thwart the long-term agenda. The real threat is not having the second term.

Or another failed capitulating Clinton-style presidency.


[ Parent ]
That doesn't make any sense (4.00 / 1)
What good is a second term if he turns out to be a disastrous failure in the first?

Why would anyone want him to have a 2nd term, the way he's gone in the first 1/8 of his first term.

It's June.  1/8 of his first term is already over.  He's done nothing but keep Bush's policies in place, keep them going, and seeking to further legitimize them.  

"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." -- Rahm Emanuel


[ Parent ]
I still think we got the best candidate going. n/t (4.00 / 2)


Learn to love.

I agree with you. (McCain was the other candidate. C'mon.) Individuals who (4.00 / 3)
think they've been let down by President Obama and the Democratic Party may be trying to decide what (if anything) they should do.

In your judgment, is something wrong with that? And if something is, what exactly is it?  


[ Parent ]
I'm certainly glad this (4.00 / 2)
isn't the only type of material that Docudharma has to offer.
You have a right to your opinion, I have the right not to feel it is extreme.  

Human salvation lies in the hands of the creatively maladjusted.


Martin Luther King Jr.




Inky, you have drawn some fire. (4.00 / 1)
Like a Viet Nam firebase.

Forge ahead.


i think (4.00 / 1)
what Inky99 drew was a bucket of cold water.  @;-)

No ponies, but
"Please pass the lotus flower..."  


[ Parent ]
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