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On Justice

by: NLinStPaul

Sun Feb 22, 2009 at 08:00:23 PST        
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I've heard it said that approximately the same number of people control 95 percent of the world's economy as are in solitary confinement in the United States. There can be little doubt as to which group has killed the greatest number of people. The same would hold true for which group has stolen the most, especially if we include resources, and which group has most damaged the planet. It is entirely possible that we have the wrong population in solitary. But, of course, so long as those in power decide who goes to prison, those in power will not go to prison.

   -Derek Jensen, The Culture of Make Believe

I think that most of us learn from an early age to view the world as it is presented to us and part of that means an implicit agreement about when to be outraged and when to be fearful. We've created whole belief systems and myths about this that we assume are designed to both punish criminals and protect ourselves. And yet, as Jensen points out in his book and buhdy noted a couple of days ago, the system is rigged from the get-go.

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As an example, following the above quote, Jensen goes on to discuss the Union Carbine chemical explosion in Bhopal, India that killed eight thousand and injured two hundred thousand in 1984. The Chairman and CEO of Union Carbide at the time, Warren Anderson, has been charged with manslaughter in Bhopal, but the US has ignored requests for extradition. It seems as though he's enjoying a pretty comfortable life in the Hamptons these days.

On the other end of the continuum, we might talk about something pretty close to home for me that I mentioned last week...my two friends who's home was raided, had all of their money and possessions seized, and were hauled off to jail in handcuffs for growing and selling marijuana.

And we have the audacity to talk about a system of justice in this country?

But in my mind, its even more serious than that. Even if we could figure out a system of fairness and equality in finding the real criminals and bringing them to justice, what would that mean? Cases go to court systems where the best (and therefore most expensive) lawyers can either determine justice or tie up a case so long that it becomes almost meaningless. As an example, the Exxon Valdez oil spill happened in 1989. Litigation for damages was just completed in 2008, nineteen years later.

And finally, even if we could fix all of that, I think the consequences we come up with are more designed for retribution and revenge than they are for any kind of rehabilitation or restoration; all of which fuels recidivism and more people are hurt in the end.

I get a front row seat almost every day in seeing the makings of what we define as "criminals" in our country because of the work that I do. And I can say that, without a doubt - after over 30 years of experience - criminals are made, not born. They are made because we really don't understand our responsibilities to each other and so we ignore all of the ways that human beings are hurt and damaged and then reach out in anger and retribution when we've had enough.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should rush in with hearts and flowers when people do evil and criminal things. I am a firm believer in accountability. But if I was "Queen of the Universe" (ha-ha), we'd go back to square one and re-think this whole process from top to bottom.

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On Justice | 59 comments
Wanna brainstorm (4.00 / 13)
with me about what a REAL system of justice would look like in this country?

Have at it...

Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi


Any system... (4.00 / 9)
...which is not based on fairness and equality will never produce justice.  It will rather serve to criminalize those who are unequal...perhaps not directly for being unequal, but in some way...in order to justify the unfairness and inequity.

When all is said and done, what really matters is whether or not you are happy.

I agree!!!!!!!!!! (4.00 / 7)
And I think we have a LONG way to go before we find that fairness and equality that produces justice.

Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi

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Before we could find it, we would have to look for it. (4.00 / 7)
I haven't seen that being a high priority.

When all is said and done, what really matters is whether or not you are happy.

[ Parent ]
One of the best cliches ever (4.00 / 6)
Without Justice, there can be no Peace.

And that applies from the personal level up to the societal level.

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
And what portion (4.00 / 8)
of the American population in jail is from the lower income strata?

What of economic justice? Wonder what that looks like?


Unfortunately (4.00 / 7)
economic justice always seems to involve some form of guillotine.

We should work on that!

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
You want to invent a new (4.00 / 6)
guillotine?

Oh. Wait. I get it you want to be humane. Dang it.


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Not that I am (4.00 / 5)
not tempted, believe me!

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


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For some reason, (4.00 / 6)
the link to Jensen's book wouldn't work in the essay. So I'll put it here: The Culture of Make Believe

Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi

Compared to the other elements of our society (4.00 / 4)
the justice system is relatively good.

At least the decisions are made in public, you have some chance and when you are poor you at least have some defense afforded to you.  There is at least some requirement to have some explanation for their conduct.  There are jury trials.  Sure the quality of your justice is pretty dependent on the quality and expense of your lawyer, but still the process is largely open to the public.

Whereas most other decisions made about our lives are largely made in secret with no intervention allowed by the people being effected by them.

"The second teaching from the golden eternity is that there never was a first teaching from the golden eternity. So be sure."  Jack Kerouac



heh (4.00 / 3)
and what a sad commentary THAT is, when our justice system, this justice system, is a "relatively good aspect."

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


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Well one thing is for sure (4.00 / 6)
Until a Madoff or Addington or Cheney or Phil Gramm go to jail nothing will change.

And it certainly appears that the only way that will happen is through some kind of popular uprising.

But the popular uprising doesn't happen because the populace simply does not believe that they have the power to change things.

Mostly because the kind of people mentioned above NEVER pay consequences for their actions....and because of the "can't fight City Hall" programming that has been so pervasively implanted.

We won't know what impact Obama will have on this for a while yet. And unfortunately (judging by the blogs) people are content to wait and see if the New Boss grants them change. The early signs don;t look good.

What ALL of the change we need to see, and there is virtually NO aspect of society that doe NOT need major reform, comes down to is one phrase.

Humans only truly change through crisis.

The Ruling Class can realize that they need to induce a series of small crises with which to change the system...iow, having them voluntarily change things. If they don't, they are making a BIG crisis ...some form of revolution ....necessary.

A smart Ruling Class would be making, as they did during the New Deal, relatively small (lol) change such as establishing Social Security (Health care is the new SS) to make society APPEAR fair to appease the peasantry.

We don't have a smart Ruling Class.

As is evidenced by the fact that there is virtually NO aspect of society that doe NOT need major reform.

We are in a destructive and unjust cycle. Something will have to break. And the longer we wait the more "violent" that break will be.

In general....one cultural standard will have to change. As long as Greed rules our society and is its highest aspiration, we will continue a downward spiral.

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


OK, but... (4.00 / 6)
I'd distinguish two big threads in NLinSP's essay, greed and the "criminal justice" system.  I kind of conflated them in my comment, but your observation makes me want to tease them out, a little.

We could utterly reform the economic system based on principles of fairness...and do so from a populist, and popular uprising...and still have an assembly line which destroys generation after generation of young black men, poor people, and the generally different.  

We've made much of the idea of being a government of laws and not men, or women.  But I'm thinking...more and more...that law is at best a bulwark against tyranny, not a very high one...and once it has been captured, it is perfectly servicable as a bulwark against justice, a firing position for the powerful.  We always have governments of people, who are acting -- for the most part -- on shared values.  If those values are authoritarian or merely conformist in a deeply unjust context, then the law is simply their weapon.  And that, I think, is where we are now.


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Iow (4.00 / 6)
we are morally corrupt.

Or as I just put it over at Dkos...


We are ALL

sanctimonious, self-righteous, judgmental assholes.

Who do NOT believe in the Golden Rule. Except, ironically, for other. That is the current human condition.

Yes, I mean you....and me.

Until we realize that, and get some humility and compassion and stop judging others by standards we are unwilling to live up to ourselves...we will never get anywhere.

How the hell do we expect to have change....if we refuse to participate in it by.....you know...changing.

We preach morality, and seek to impose it on others, but as soon as we see an advantage for US, it all goes out the window in a storm of rationalization. The system after all, is only as good as the people participating in it. And when we see someone else getting an advantage, we tend to, instead of condemning them, find a way to seek advantage ourselves.

The Ruling Class has codified that....and the rest of us buy in....if we can...until WE lose. (societal niche "WE" in this case)

And that has translated into the current morality, it has been reduce to a state of savagery, which is all "run like hell and fuck you if you don't make it" really is, despite the trappings.

We all agree on that in our own ways, I think. But how the hell do you reform an entire society's morals?

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


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Sure... (4.00 / 5)
...though I see people right across the political spectrum act from their best selves -- and worst --on a consistent basis.  And I see people who have very good hearts act on "run like hell and f* you if you fall" because that is the only way to protect or act for those they love.  So saying that "we" are morally corrupt is hard for me, both because I'm not sure how true it is, and because, at some point, a certain judgement is required :}  Even if we are, indeed, all part asshole.

And, eh, I have no answer to your question, and share (I think) a somewhat inchoate and desperate hope that harder circumstances will result in turning and change for the better (and not, eh, the worse...)

That was a nice wiscmass essay!


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Which brings us to one of the stickiest wickets (4.00 / 5)
If there is a corrupt system, and good people do not battle that system with all of their might, constantly.....does that make them corrupt for participating in it.

If the good people get tired and give up, are they the ones to blame for the corruption?

Which is pointless philosophy bt for one factor.

Bad people (Republicans!) do NOT respond to the most powerful societal moral force....shame. Good people do.

Since we can;t shame the bad people into being good.....should we instead try to shame the good people into being more active in taking on the bad people?

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


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Well... (4.00 / 6)
...you're out on the social-action edge, and I'm sort of running this through a personal filter...but in my own experience, shame is toxic goo, and Republicans have it in abundance, as a group.  They kill people with it, I think, on vast scales.  But their frame is different, so it applies to different things, like not obeying those in charge or modifying your opinions to suit those who the group has decided are "good" people.  

I'd argue -- and kumbaya as it sounds, I mean this in a fierce and practical way -- love is the most powerful moral force.  And that we are all -- except for the genuinely sociopathic (who exist across party lines, and who are unfortunately the most inclined to accumulate power) -- amenable to it, to varying degrees.  And next to it is a desire to have our lives tell good stories, to mean something more than dinner.  When we talk about the position of those being tortured, or those being jailed for bullshit...we are speaking to people's desire for something positive, for a world where the arc of their lives and the sum of their care mean something.  And, eh...it may look sort of like shaming...but really I think you are talking about emphasis.  Pay attention.  This is important, and if you do not see it, then the story you live is a lie.


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Attention, intention and reaction (4.00 / 3)
are the only things we have ANY control over.

We should learn to use them.

And yeah, if we could use the carrot of love as well as the R's use the stick of shame....

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


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back in the old days (4.00 / 1)
i often posted: "If I wanted to use Karl's methods, I'd join his team."

and that's would be my response to this statement of yourn:

"And yeah, if we could use the carrot of love as well as the R's use the stick of shame...."  

No ponies, but
"Please pass the lotus flower..."  


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I'm afraid I don't understand the comparison (4.00 / 1)
Can you expand?

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
well, (4.00 / 1)
i don't want to use the R's Stick of Shame, for instance.  i'd put that in the Karl Rove Bag of Bullshit and leave it with Karl and Rummy and Big Dick and His Side Kick Little Dick, otherwise known as W.

also, the whole "carrot of love" idea gives me the willies (not the good willies, the bad willies!) because that, to me, reminds me of the conditional love, which reminds of me the patriarachy, which reminds me of Karl Rove.

love isn't a motivational tool, ie, a stick.
love don't have no conditions, if it has conditions, it isn't love.  to me, anyway.

plus, i don't think we can actually shame people.  we can ridicule, which might bring on shame, but we can't actually shame anyone re: their actions or behavior, that is something they either feel or don't feel.   so, to me it's like the saying, "you can bring a horse to water but you can't make them drink."   shame can't be given, shame can only be accepted.

clear as mud?

No ponies, but
"Please pass the lotus flower..."  


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Hmm (4.00 / 1)
It sure sounds like you are trying to shame me with these comments.

Interesting.

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
i am extremely (4.00 / 1)
sorry if you think that is what i was trying to do.
i was no where near that.

what sentence/paragraph/thought/image brought that feeling up for you?

No ponies, but
"Please pass the lotus flower..."  


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Might have something to do with (4.00 / 1)
the Karl Rove comparison.

For some apparently irrational reason on my part.

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
i promise! (4.00 / 1)
i am not comparing you to Karl Rove.

No ponies, but
"Please pass the lotus flower..."  


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buhdy (4.00 / 1)
part of my background includes spending a lot of time working on the 2004 election.  methods were discussed frequently.  one of the drills some of us used was see if a method passed the Karl Rove test... ie, if Karl would do it, we were not going to.  

That's where that came from.

using shame and love as carrot on a stick wouldn't have passed.  and it wasn't personal.  talking about strategy then wasn't personal, it was political.  i forget sometimes we're not "there" anymore.

i am sorry i brought it up.  i should have let the statement go and not responded.

No ponies, but
"Please pass the lotus flower..."  


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and.... (4.00 / 1)
i am obviously way out of sync with the political discourse these days.  there is also a certain bluntness to what i say that i think is being read in a tone that isn't at all intended.  i simply disagree with a whole lot of what i see going on re: the blogosphere and i really shouldn't have logged in or read anything that had to do with justice or america.

i'm not in sync, Buhdy.   i think you probably are, and that's why i said a week or so ago that we're in very different places right now.

i'm not on a side.  i'm out there in yonder field.  IGNORE!  :-)

No ponies, but
"Please pass the lotus flower..."  


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I have learned (0.00 / 0)
(painfully) that sometimes the best thing you can do for a friend going through hard time is, in fact, to ignore them.

Until they are ready to accept friendship again.

Good to see at least, that you are out standing in your field!

I will be here when you get back.

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


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??? (4.00 / 1)
i am not going through a hard time... busy, challenged, but not hard.  and i am certainly not unaccepting of friendship!  

?!

No ponies, but
"Please pass the lotus flower..."  


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thanks, Jess (4.00 / 3)
Show Up
Pay Attention
Tell the Truth

some add:

Let Go of the Result

that last is particularly difficult for me,  but that's where i am today.


No ponies, but
"Please pass the lotus flower..."  


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love (4.00 / 2)
is quite radical.  ;-)
count me in.

No ponies, but
"Please pass the lotus flower..."  


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one more... (4.00 / 2)
"love is a verb"   d;-)
catch ya on the highway.

No ponies, but
"Please pass the lotus flower..."  


[ Parent ]
gotta run... (4.00 / 5)
...just got asked to brunch.  By someone I like!  Thus demonstrating my own life is pretty much run by narrow self interest...

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Yay! (4.00 / 4)
Let's talk sometime about the difference between plain self-interest and enlightened self-interest.

(which has nothing to do, btw, with who pays for the brunch!)

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
But you see, (4.00 / 2)
I'm even questioning the idea of people going to jail.

I continue to ponder a book I read a while ago titled Herland. Its sort of 1920's science fiction feminism. In it, some male explorers come across a society that is made up only of women. In exchanging ideas about how to treat a criminal, the women are dumbfounded at the idea of jail. They assume that if a person commits a crime, they must be in need of treatment, and are provided with such.

Fantasy...I know. But makes me think and ask questions.

Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi


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great book /nt (4.00 / 1)


No ponies, but
"Please pass the lotus flower..."  


[ Parent ]
Yeah, you know they're great (4.00 / 1)
when the questions they pose keep nagging at you years later.  

Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi

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Excellent Essay (4.00 / 8)
I haven't a clue how to get from here to there, like most folks I guess.  Though if I had fiat, it would begin by recognizing that a system of 300 million people, half of whom utterly despise the values of the other half, is going to hit a much, much lower common denominator than one where there is some sense of social cohesion; and systems with no floor, where everyone is scared of ending up dead, basically, are not going to extend anything worth having to those who fall, by and large.  When the social contract is "run like hell and fuck you if you don't make it" it is an almost superhuman task to empathize with the other, past a certain rudimentary sympathy, and "other" is a real low bar.

Personally, and totally from left field, I think part of the solution is to make countries much smaller.  Like, maybe what a state is, now, roughly. And provide a bottom to the social contract, so that there is a real limit to how bad it can get, so that I am genuinely invested in my neighbor's welfare, and they in mine.  But there is no real support for these things...they are nutty ideas, and the empire is run by Serious People, who are so firmly in the winning camp that the margins are visible only as a kind of generalized failure of individual good.


Don't get there (4.00 / 7)
driving a Fiat. You will never reach your destination.

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not even... (4.00 / 6)
...one that's totally 'lux?

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I think you would really (4.00 / 1)
like Jensen's book - that is, if you haven't already read it. Its really an exploration (stream of consciousness even at times) of our seeming attraction to hate and violence - and how this country has played that out over our history.

He sees much of the problem in our ever-expanding movement to turn everything and everyone into objects. I've often thought about the idea you're proposing to size down to more manageable levels.

I'm with you on the reality that this isn't likely to happen on a national level. But I think we can begin the process in our own relationships and spheres of influence.  

Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi


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I will check it out... (4.00 / 1)
...though I was reminded yesterday on GOS that I haven't even read Goldstein's Betraying Spinoza yet...I am falling behind on the genuinely useful reading in favor of, oh, way too much science fiction and fantasy.  

On a personal level it feels like my scope is too small :)  Bring on the contradictions and complexity and overlapping, incongruent loyalties!!  On a big level, there does seem to be a threshold past which cooperation gets exponentially harder.  I don't understand it, I don't understand what happens between 40 million and 200 million people that seems to make countries very different places, but it is impossible to miss. (maybe I should read the book!)


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On the small scope, (4.00 / 1)
check out my sig line. There's a reason why I haven't changed it in over a year.

And on the book, perhaps I'd better provide this warning. Its tough. Hard look at hard reality. I had to put it down before I finished it to get myself back into the light for awhile.  

Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi


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Wonderful essay. (4.00 / 6)
What would a real system of justice look like to me?

Ah.

I don't even know.

King Solomon?  Wise judges, ethical lawyers, a populace who doesn't think that being poor is equivalent to being bad.

I read a conversation in a novel by Chaim Potok, "The Book of Light," about a newly ordained Jewish rabbi who found himself serving as a chaplain in Korea, a mystic fellow, he imagined while taking his ordination examination some of the questions his teacher asked him, the teacher was considered one of the most brilliant minds of the century, all that.

He remembered the question, "who speaks of evil as the separation of judgment from mercy?"  Well I'm paraphrasing.

Now "mercy" is a strange concept in itself and is often interpreted many ways.  In this instance I'd view it as compassion, another word that can be interpreted many ways, heh.

I think our society and culture has lost its way when it comes to our own understanding of what justice is.  And I don't think that is just some accidental happenstance.

But what would justice look like to me?  I just don't know any more.  I can only see little pieces of it, and the anti-torture movement is to me, at the root of this, our culture making the determination of what is absolutely taboo when it comes to how we treat each other.


Golden Rule (4.00 / 5)
But unfortunately there is one word in it that is incredibly problematic.

Other.

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
Yes. (4.00 / 5)
And it would have to be universal, not just United States ctizens.  That's an additional "other" we have trouble wrapping our minds around.

We have to tap into the feeling folks have during crisis, as you've often written about, that feeling that prompts us to immediately aid our fellow human beings without judgment or discrimination, the understanding that what hurts someone else hurts us as well.

That feeling may arise during crisis only, but it had to come from somewhere to begin with.  It's there within us always, I think.


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There is no God but God (4.00 / 3)
I'm sorry in advance; I know I'm repeating myself.

These "things" we're talking about don't exist.  Justice, peace, fairness, equality.  We may as well be talking about dragons and vampires.  Trying to describe a true (in the Aristotelian sense) system of Justice is like trying to make an accurate painting of God; impossible, futile, and only likely to illuminate truths about ourselves and not about Justice.

What is needed is a recognition that human systems of justice are not about Justice, nor is it possible or even truly desirable that they should be.  Human justice is about human things; conflict resolution and interest serving.  I believe in the virtue of aspirational thinking and action, but this is a realm where we would all be far better off if we recognized and accepted that it belongs wholly to the sphere of the human rather than the divine.  

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it." ~ H.L. Mencken


I don't think (4.00 / 2)
I'm looking for some ideal of justice. But I AM talking about a system that claims to provide justice and, in my mind, doesn't come close.

Perhaps the "human justice" of conflict resolution and interest-serving could be improved on if we all just took a look at how badly we're failing.  

Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi


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I'm not saying you are... (4.00 / 1)
...but what I am saying is that I think the frame of talking about our legal system as Justice is misbegotten.  The claim that it provides Justice is, we agree, invalid.  So, let's abandon the false construct which serves us little if at all and which gives the fig leaf of the divine to injustice.

And how we talk about it, I think, matters.  We have all kinds of emotional and quasi-religious sentiments about Justice, and none of those feelings about interest serving and conflict resolution.  Allowing ourselves to see our justice system as something without mystical significance is a big part, IMO, of the path needed to make practical improvements.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it." ~ H.L. Mencken


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Good point!!! (0.00 / 0)


Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi

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Sorry to have (4.00 / 3)
abandoned the conversation folks, but it looks like ya'll did just fine without me. I had company drop by just as things were getting going in here.

And then there was the incident between the knife and my thumb just now. Surface only, but making it difficult to type. Be back later.

Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi


Self Responsibility (4.00 / 5)
My ideal of justice includes self responsibility of the people. Someone who is self-responsible will probably not commit crime in the first place. They will act in ways that are respectful of other people's safety and property.  The ones who are truly guilty of crimes need to admit to it and take responsibility for their actions.    Like the Union Carbide guy or the Peanut Butter guy or the baseball players doing 'roids and the politicians sleeping with prosititutes.  People who get caught hurting other people and know they are guilty should just admit it and save everyone the time and trouble of finding out the truth. Instead they lie and end up hurting more people or hire big-shot lawyers and try to pay for their innocence.  I think that many victims, or families of victims, would rather have the satisfaction of seeing the perpetrator feel guilt and remorse than getting monetary compensation or seeing the criminal put to death.  

It would be some justice to me if Bush or Cheney could just admit how wrong they were (about frickin' everything!) and acknowledge the huge price we are paying for their mistakes.

Learning to be self-responsible is not easy. I have a such a hard time feeling my own guilt that I go out of my way to avoid situations where I could offend someone or make a mistake.  This is to the detriment of missing out on life or challenging myself.  Fear of failing is running away from my self-responsibility.  I'm working on it though!

Every year is getting shorter, never seem to find the time. Plans that either come to naught or half a page of scribbled lines.  ~ Pink Floyd


It is also (4.00 / 4)
a detriment to the rest of us who don't get to hear your voice enough!!!

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of programmers,

so....Roar Louder!!!


[ Parent ]
You can yell that one louder buhdy!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (4.00 / 3)


Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi

[ Parent ]
That whole self-responsibility thing (4.00 / 3)
is a tough one.

I remember once a few years ago, I lost a check from the state for $20,000 that had been issued to a professional association I was the treasurer of. After I tore apart my office looking for it, I got stuck for awhile in the shame - trying to figure out how I could avoid responsibility.

Then I had a moment where I just exhaled all of that and realized I'd fucked up, but that I didn't deserve to die.

Funny thing was that when I called the folks at the state, it was no big deal...cancel check, write another one. All that energy wasted for nothing!!!!!!!!!!

Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi


[ Parent ]
so ashamed (4.00 / 3)
you could almost kill yourself.  yes - I know the feeling.   The answer - as you demonstrated - is to own up; be honest with yourself and the other people concerned. It doesn't have to be the end of the world.  I think I'm getting it... finally.  Your essays are always so thought provoking.  Thanks NL.  :-)

Every year is getting shorter, never seem to find the time. Plans that either come to naught or half a page of scribbled lines.  ~ Pink Floyd

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Enlightened psychic persons (4.00 / 4)
full of loving goodness but with the powers of the sci-fi movie Judge Dredd.  It would be somewhat like that Christian myth of "the rapture" only in reverse.  Take out the evil and the meek would inherit the earth.

Whatever you do to others you also do to yourself!

no justice......no peace....... (4.00 / 2)


On Justice | 59 comments
Reform Immigration -
March for America
Sunday, March 21
 

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