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A Date With Eric Holder And Barack Obama

by: Edger

Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 16:48:52 PST        
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"The Fifth, Eighth, and Fourteenth Amendements to the Constitution of the United States prohibit cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment."

With that sentence begins the documentary film "Torturing Democracy", a documentary to be aired on PBS television stations nationwide on January 21st, 2009, one day after President Bush leaves office.

One day after President Bush leaves office will be the first day of President-Elect Barack Obama's new administration.

Between today and that day, we have a date with Attorney General-Designate Eric Holder and President-Elect Barack Obama. Everyday.

As netizens reading this at the founding site of the Citizens Petition for a Special Prosecutor to Investigate and Prosecute Bush War Crimes we have a date every day with those two men as we work to generate as many signatures to the petition that we can possibly generate to bring the war criminals in the Bush administration to justice. Principally Mr. Bush himself, Vice President Richard Cheney, and former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. They were the leaders. The instigators. And the approvers. But there are many others as well, and they all deserve fair trials. it is the very least we can do for them, and for the world.

These crimes are being euphemistically referred to as "abusive interrogation techniques" by such respected figures as Senator John McCain. These are euphemisms for torture. Torture is a War Crime. Waterboarding is a War Crime. The CIA has admitted waterboarding detainees. Recently, Vice President Cheney has brazenly admitted authorizing the program that led to waterboarding, other forms of torture too numerous to list, and ultimately, the deaths by homicide of detainees.

As is often the case, we are because of our insatiable interest, curiosity and determination to be as well informed as we can be, much farther ahead of the millions of people who will see Torturing Democracy on January 21st, 2009.

Before the PBS broadcast the documentary in its entirety can be viewed at TorturingDemocracy.org

The following video is the first eight and a half minutes of the full documentary. Watch the rest at the link above.

Torturing Democracy


Edger :: A Date With Eric Holder And Barack Obama
Mr. Holder has said that:
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"Our needlessly abusive and unlawful practices in the 'War on Terror' have diminished our standing in the world community and made us less, rather than more, safe," Holder told a packed room at the ACS 2008 Convention on Friday evening. "For the sake of our safety and security, and because it is the right thing to do, the next president must move immediately to reclaim America's standing in the world as a nation that cherishes and protects individual freedom and basic human rights."

He needs to be held to his word. His President will need to hold him to his word. And we need to hold Mr. Obama to his words.

"Democracy" has been tortured long enough.

It's time for people like everyone here to be the cause of "Change you can believe in."

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"Democracy" has been tortured long enough. (4.00 / 12)
We started this thing.

We need as many signatures as we can get on this thing.

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Edger (4.00 / 6)
Its been a long, hard evil day for me.

I have the petition thing up, but unless you pick one of these essays & crosspost it with feeling, it will be hard for me to do so, it won't have the same impact.

Pick one, or write another for my small audience explaing what you are trying to do, and the reaction so far, and I will FP it.

(Or just make you a FPer if I'm online when you join.)

But 7 hours of the MIL and her dementia, while cleaning her house, my cat allergy and stress of driving for another 3 hours in the now has me badly needing food and a cold beer. (or 3) There are days I wish I still smoked pot. Even that now bothers my allergies. Fuck.

Amen.  

Visit me @ The Wild Wild Left! Crossposting is good for us all!


[ Parent ]
I keep posting the link for the code (4.00 / 3)
it's up at the top of the essay!. Grab it and post it!!

Same with this one... (at the top also)


[ Parent ]
Please, (4.00 / 3)
will you do it? It has more impact that way.

I am brain dead and about to step AWAY from the pc.

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[ Parent ]
I'm going to bed. I've been up for 16 hours... (4.00 / 4)
The code's there... that's why it's there. It's just a copy/paste and it's done! Go for it! ;-)

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LLULLubye and goonight... (4.00 / 5)
...may you allways sleep tight, and may nothing nothing wake you till you're truly once more merry and bright.

A sweet kiss on all sweet cheeks for this wonderully sweet essay.

My grammar/syntax is sooo bad, I should probable go sleepy freepy also...  

The fierce urgency of now.  Martin


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*SNOW (4.00 / 2)
can you tell I'm freaking exhausted. One beer down.  I no linger want to claw my own eyes out and cup-slap myself deaf... LOL.

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**longer (4.00 / 2)
this may go on a while....


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Snow up to our ears... (4.00 / 3)
To add to the glory of the season, we lost power this am.  We apparently live in the bermuda triangle of electricity.  Clouds cause us to lose power.  Fortunately it came back on at 7:00 am.  The only thing worse than living in the cold would be living in the south.  If I ever give it up for warmer climates, it will be Mexico or central america.

My poor husband is already out running errands.  One store 20 miles aways for breakfast sausage and another around the corner for fresh bread and polish sausage.  

Hope you (and everyone else) have a happy holiday.  

We told you so...


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Scotch helps... ;-) (4.00 / 3)


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God, I miss homemade kielbasa (4.00 / 3)
We had to drive in it from Pinckney to Canton, then brave the several gazillion shoppers on Ford Road to do her shopping for her.

My husband is about to go out again, for us.

Wow, glad you got your power back. Usually its us. If a bunny farts upwind of us, the power goes out. 2 years ago we were without 10 freaking days in the dead of winter, and no, we can't afford a generator. It was tack blankets over the windows and stoke the fireplace to survive.... and on a well, no power, no water... which meant going down to the lake for water to flush.

Ahhhh, Michigan living huh?

You and your husband have a great Christmas too!!!!

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OMG, I promise never to complain again. n.t (4.00 / 1)


We told you so...

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Have no fear... (4.00 / 4)
...take a deep breath, listen to the celestial choirs, the lotus passing angels of magnanimous spatious masseuses are nigh.  Have some food and a pranaburger, a beer and ambrosial creme de creme or menthe de menthe.       ..........   aaahhh...

The fierce urgency of now.  Martin

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Bravo. (4.00 / 7)
Well done.  I am astonished at what is happening here, and it's in large part because of the hard work of you, Buhdy, Bob and Sharon, who I believe sparked this project - and OTB of course and lots of folks who are working not so prominently whose names I don't know.

I believe I am feeling something I haven't felt in over 8 years -- enthusiasm!

Between today and that day, we have a date with Attorney General-Designate Eric Holder and President-Elect Barack Obama. Everyday.

Yep.  And the media prep you've given is important information for us to understand, imo.


P.S.: (4.00 / 6)
I got one of the lawyers at work to sign it today and told her to pass it on.

This is just a great project.  It's the first project where it's not about electoral politics but standing up as a citizen, as an equally important part of government as the three branches.


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Hey! Try to contain yourself, ok? (4.00 / 4)
The petition only holds One Hundred Thousand signatures, apparently.

Leave some for the rest of us!

If you fill it up we'll... we'll... we'll... have to start DPetition 2.0?


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Oh let's definitely ... (4.00 / 4)
... NOT contain ourselves.

It's as easy to shoot for a million as for a hundred thou.

I mean, does it cost any more, the website itself, if we had a DPetition 2.0?

(I'm ignorant of the tech side of this, as well as how to spread things over the tubez, i.e., digg, RSS, etc.  Am quickly learning, tho)


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not i, nope it was buhdy (4.00 / 4)
i read what he wrote and told him what democrats.com has been up to and they made it all happen while i was pulling all nighters trying to finish a rough semester.  edger is the internet genius with the badge and help with posting.  bob did the thing with sending the emails to holder.  it's been pretty amazing watching it happen and jumping in this weekend, but this is buhdy, edger and bob's  baby.  and they've done an amazing job.  just found out from tim carpenter that it is on the pda website too.  

aka conchita

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Do you kow where it is on their site, Sharon? (4.00 / 2)
I looked all over and I can't find any mention. Maybe he's got a post planned?

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Thanks to On The Bus also! (4.00 / 3)
If you look in the sidebar above the petition badge you'll see a running count of petition signatures. That's a live updating number taken form the democrats.com site every time you refresh a page here!

As I type this it says:

7289 of 100000

 people have signed
 this petition.

It unfortunately only works with Firefox, Safari and other non-IE browsers so far, so you won't see it if you're using IE, until I have time to take a shot at making it work. Microsoft bites.


[ Parent ]
This is a test ... (4.00 / 5)
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to see if I know how to copy the badge.

Your essay has given me around 3 ideas for diaries, but I'm ascaird of the tech stuff, lol.  Thus the test.


Houston ... (4.00 / 7)
... we have a badge.

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Not bad!!! ;-) (4.00 / 3)
Little higher on the left maybe?

Naw. it's good like that!


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Higher on the left? (4.00 / 3)
I'm just grateful I can copy the badge so I can use it in essays and diaries, etc.

I ain't getting fancy or anything!  ;-D


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I'll have a link for the html of this essay (4.00 / 3)
up in a few minutes for downloading and copying, so that it's easy for people to repost... it'll be just under the title.

[ Parent ]
That is so .. (4.00 / 3)
... amazingly helpful for non-tech bloggers like me.  Thank you, Edger.

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It's up there now at the top of the essay. (4.00 / 3)


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7000 of 100000 people have signed this petition. (4.00 / 6)
As of the time of this comment.

Its fun watching (4.00 / 4)
those numbers continue to climb - even on what is a holiday for most people.

Over 500 people have signed since you wrote this comment last night!!!!!

Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi


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What I also think ... (4.00 / 6)
... would be effective for those who'll be watching teevee and hearing this for the first time in January 2009 is hearing about the notion of "fair trial."

When I first saw that on the badge, it was such a strange feeling, lol.

But when I think about it, how many low level employees are going to get "fair trials," workers who have no big powerful protection as Bush and his cronies have.  Look how they went after Lynne(sp?) Englund and tried to make it seem Abu Ghraib was her idea.

Just throwing out the idea because I think this would be good to write about from many angles, by many bloggers.


Read them their rights. (4.00 / 6)
Read them the evidence.

Give them a fair trial.

Sentence them. Lock them up. And toss the key.


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Fair trial. (4.00 / 5)
I'm gonna riff off of that one, Edger.  Can't contain myself!  lolololol

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It's a hell of a lot more (4.00 / 6)
than they ever gave any of their prisoners...

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Or their ... (4.00 / 6)
... fellow citizens.

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Their fellow citizens (4.00 / 7)
have been their prisoners for eight years.

Time for a clean prison break.


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I just watched (4.00 / 7)
the first segment of "Torturing Democracy."

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Edger.

Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi


It's quite a production, isn't it? (4.00 / 5)
Right up there with The Dark Side, I think.

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I had to take a break (4.00 / 8)
after the first segment.

Now I'm imagining spending some of Christmas Eve day watching the rest. But I'm hooked.

It does seem like all this is coming together in a fascinating way...

petition drive started
Cheney's interview
petition launched
this documentary

I know I'm forgetting stuff cause my brain is starting to go to sleep. But the energies are gathering. And you're doing a magnificent job of pulling it all together!

Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi


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landed just a few hours ago in mass (4.00 / 3)
caught up with family and am just checking in.  great essay, edger!

aka conchita

Thanks, Sharon (4.00 / 3)
Have a Merry Christmas!

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Thanks, NPK! (4.00 / 3)
I also put it up on MyDD and OpenLeft this morning as well as "Eric Holder Knows: Bush And Cheney Deserve Fair Trials"at Mydd and OpenLeft

There is a comment at MyDD that says:

A fair trial is fine... (none / 0)

Then Life in Prision for Bush, and the Guillotine for Cheney.....

Heh! Gotta love those Pacific Northwesters!


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Sorry to be negative (4.00 / 1)
but why in the hell cannot someone in the freakin lawyer ridden government stand up and say this is wrong, morally wrong, legally wrong id you count the laws of humanity. It is a crime against humanity and our law. Why must it always be 'Diminished our standing' or bad PR or ineffective. It's a fucking crime a major crime against humanity.

Weaseling around the definitions of crimes or human rights and what is or isn't a crime is so beyond the pale that it makes my hair ignite. We need to restore the law, the laws that are basic to being a human. It is now just a series of weasels by lawyers infected with legalizing and defending the undefendable with definitions obscure and irrelevant. A twisted version of intent. Kill all the lawyers. Revive the Law the real law the one we all know lives in humans dealings with each other the one that keeps having to be reaffirmed over and over and is not in numbered codes or twisted meanings real justice plain and simple.

Great this guy thinks maybe we should look into this. We all know deep in our souls what crimes against the basic laws of humanity are. Why do we have to always have pols who are lawyers to define these truths. Our standing in the world is irrelevant and can only be improved by abiding by the real law.            


He needs to be pushed really hard. (4.00 / 2)
Obama too.

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